Wednesday, August 12, 2009

 

DC Fire wants water authority to upgrade its standard. List obtained of locations in the Nation's Capital needing special attention.

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The DC Fire & EMS Department is asking the DC Water & Sewer Authority to upgrade the standard it uses to determine proper water flow for an area. It is an issue that surfaced at the July 29 fire that destroyed the mansion owned by former DC school board president Peggy Cooper Cafritz. At the home on Chain Bridge Road WASA technically met its standard of supplying 1000 gpm within 1000 feet of a structure. But that 1000 feet was a straight line through someone else's yard to another street.

DC Fire & EMS Department spokesman Pete Piringer says there is no national standard, but the fire department would like to see WASA make the distance 500 feet, accessible by a fire engine. The department also wants the minimum flow to be 1500 gpm for low hazard locations, 2000 gpm for medium hazards and up to 2500 for high hazard locations.

A preliminary report from Mayor Adrian Fenty's office about the fire mentioned 34 locations identified byWASA and the fire department where special attention was needed because of water issues. STATter911.com has obtained that list.

Spokesman Piringer says a neighborhood or location can be on that list because of a variety of issues including small water mains, hydrant configuration, topography, access, and the possibility that their are private hydrants not under WASA's control.

The list includes neighborhoods in all quadrants of the city with the exception of Southwest. It also includes institutions such as Georgetown University and Catholic University.

Piringer says the fire department has put plans in place to make sure there is an adequate water supply to fight fires. At a small number of locations on the list, including Mayfair Parkside in Northeast, the problem has been corrected by WASA's construction of a new water main.

The department left two of the locations off the list for security reasons. But two years ago fire officials said publicly that areas around The White House complex have some of the city's smaller water mains. It is unclear if The White House is one of the locations left off the list.

Here are the locations needing special attention:

-- Mayfair Parkside, NE
-- Poplar Point Pumping Station, SE
-- Fort Station Reservoirs, SE
-- Williamsburg Lane, NW
-- Adams Morgan North of Columbia Rd, NW
-- Taylor Street, NE
-- Randle Circle, SE
-- Queens Chapel/ South Dakota, NE
-- International Drive, NW
-- East Portion of Saint Elizabeth Campus, SE
-- Howard University Law School, NW
-- FEMS Training Facility, SE
-- Mount Pleasant Area (North)
-- Mount Pleasant Area (South)
-- East and West Potomac Park
-- National Zoo
-- Metrobus Bladensburg Division
-- Georgetown University
-- George Washington University, Mount Vernon Campus
-- Galluadet University
-- Edmund Burke School
-- Hillwood Museum
-- Levine School of Music
-- Washington International School
-- Maret School
-- Catholic University
-- Trinity College
-- 1300 Block of Upshur Street, NW
-- Wyoming Ave & 23rd St, NW
-- 39TH & T St, NW
-- 29TH & P St, NW
-- Massachusetts Ave, Between Dupont Circle and Sheridan Circle, NW
-- 2600 Block of Myrtle Ave, NE


Comments:
No national standard?

Whatever happened to the ISO standard that Routley used as the basis for his report on the Adams Mill Road fire?
 
and maybe ISO should be informed that these locations don't have the fire flow requirements? They could "rerate" the city based in those locations? Bet the property owners who would have to pay increased fire insurance premiums based upon the ISO "rerating" might put some pressure on city officials to "jump start" the water authority into action to remedy the situation in their neighborhoods?
 
so now that we have identified these locations, does it mean the DCFD will be ready with a plan when a fire occurs there? Or will it be 1 -2 hrs before they get setup with proper flows? Or will we go after water co again.
 
I though the ISO counted hydrants within 1000' of the protected property. However, the ISO also counts Fire Department Supply via tenders or relays -- and there's no reason at all that a "professional" Fire (and EMS) Department with a budget of almost $200M a year couldn't relay or shuttle all the water they needed.

Oh - I know: an insistence on using 3" supply lines and a failure to identify and deal with incompetence (Companies that don't lay out, companies that don't lay dual lines, companies that don't drill, officers that don't lead from the front, chief officers who can't focus on anything other than socialized uninversal prehospital medicine)

Here's a hint gentlemen: The pumpers are gone, and aren't coming back. Time to upgrade to 5", and start making fire companies responsible for firefighting. If you could have made EMS units responsible for EMS, you wouldn't be in this mess.
 
Here's another hint, your right on mark with the comments you have made about the department.In fact many on here have echoed your sentiments. Although you are wrong about the 5" hose. We dont need it in the city. We need competent firemen with accountability, exactly what you identified as an element missing in our department.

But now that WASA is taking the full brunt of the blame do we need any of these shortcomings corrected...Rubin & Co. says NO!
 
Dave,
Thanks for posting this vital information; and it really is vital that residents and businesses in our nation's capital know that they may or may not have adequate water. I might also point out that it's also great that we conscientiously feed information to terrorists and deviants who are hell-bent on causing mayhem and chaos wherever they can find it. Why don't we just publish it on highway billboards.
 
"We conscientiously feed information to terrorists and deviants who are hell-bent on causing mayhem and chaos wherever they can find it. Why don't we just publish it on highway billboards."

What information are you are concerned about? Is it something I published that I shouldn't have?

Is it the list that bothers you? Do you think keeping the public in the dark about what may be an inadequate water supply for fighting fires in their neighborhood is a way a free and open society should operate?

Isn't it more likely that citizens knowing about these problems and then raising hell with their elected officials could help correct the situation?

And then aren't we better able to combat these people who want to do us harm when was have a water system that provides the flow that it should?

Maybe it got this way because people were kept in the dark too long.

Tell me more about the information you are concerned about.

Appreciate the comments.

Dave
 
I have a question Dave what are the people who work in planning and zoneing who are making way more than you or I passing new multiple story and commercial building permits in these areas that is known not to be able to support the infrastructure...
 
Keep Digging Dave! Just remember WASA isn't the only one that bears the burden of responsibility...

There are many on here who want this whole thing to go away, well this is how problems continue and get worse. So that months, years from now when another incident like this occurs we will be standing around having the same discussion. Why? Let's identify these issues now and correct them. For those who think we (DCFD) live in a glass house and should only throw stones at those around us...we don't. We're not perfect, we should hold those within our ranks accountable if they had responsibilities and duties that were not performed and carried out.
 
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