Tuesday, June 2, 2009
UPDATED: Trooper Daniel Martin says he was given the finger by ambulance driver. Read Oklahoma Highway Patrol statements.
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UPDATE- I had a brief conversation with District 24 District Attorney Max Cook on Tuesday. He explained that the initial and primary focus of the ongoing investigation is to determine if any charges will be brought against the EMS crew. While it is not the current priority, Cook would not rule out the possibility his office could look to see if there is any merit to claims the OHP troopers interfered with EMS providers.
For the first time we are hearing the police version of events leading up to the dramatic May 24 confrontation caught on video between the Oklahoma Highway Patrol and a Creek Nation ambulance crew. Trooper Daniel Martin believed the driver of that ambulance, EMT-B Paul Franks, had raised his middle finger toward the trooper.
Paramedic Maurice White Jr., tending to the patient, had indicated in his account that Franks had thrown up his hands in surprise.
The statements from Martin and Trooper Bryan Iker were given to the District Attorney's Office in Okfuskee County and were released on Monday by OHP.
As had been reported before, Trooper Martin was responding with lights and siren to assist the Okfuskee County Sheriff's Office with a stolen-vehicle. Creek Nation officials previously confirmed the ambulance was not using its emergency equipment.
In Martin's statement he indicates the ambulance didn't yield and instead pulled out in front of him. In their accounts, released last week, the EMS crew reported they did not hear the siren and could not see the trooper who was close to the back of the ambulance. Both sides agree that Martin came over the radio telling Franks he should be more observant.
Here are excerpts from an article in today's Tulsa World where reporter Manny Gamallo tells the rest of the story:
In his report, White said Franks threw up his hands in surprise when they received the radio call from Martin, urging them to check their rear-view mirrors.
White said he thinks the trooper might have mistaken Franks' hands in the air as an obscene finger gesture.
Once on the scene of the stolen-car report in Paden, Martin said he saw the ambulance pass and observed Franks extend his left hand out the window with his middle finger raised.
"I took the gesture as a sign of defiance to (the) failure to yield earlier, and that they (ambulance) did not believe they had a responsibility to adhere to the rules of the road in regards to my emergency vehicle," Martin said.
Seeing that the stolen-car call was under control, Martin said, he chased the ambulance until it pulled over.
Once he got out of his cruiser, he was trying to talk to Franks when he saw White get out of the ambulance and slam the "door in a hostile manner."
Martin said White kept getting between them, despite repeatedly being told by Martin to back off.
The trooper told Franks he was going to be cited for failure to yield, adding that "I did not appreciate his hand gesture."
White said the trooper bolted out of his car in a huff and yelled at Franks, "What do you mean flipping me off?"
White said he tried to explain to the trooper that they were taking a woman to the hospital and asked if they could continue the matter once they got there.
But White said the trooper would have none of it and insisted on giving Franks a ticket then.
However, Martin said White kept getting in his way, and he finally tried to arrest him for obstructing an officer. That sparked the first of two scuffles as Martin said he tried to arrest White but the paramedic threw up his arms to resist.
A number of relatives of the patient had followed the ambulance and were in the street.
Fearing possible violence, Martin said he backed away from White and then went to his cruiser to radio Trooper Bryan Iker for help.
The trooper said only when White got back into the ambulance was he able to speak with Franks. Martin said Franks assured him he did not give the trooper the finger gesture and apologized for not yielding.
The trooper then walked back to the ambulance and tried to tell White he would be arrested once he arrived at the hospital, but the paramedic was not in the ambulance with the patient.
Martin said he walked around to the passenger side of the ambulance where White was standing. White was angry, wanting to file charges against the trooper for assaulting a paramedic, he said.
Another scuffle ensued, and Martin said White grabbed him around the neck, refusing to let go.
Iker's report backs up Martin's account of the second scuffle.
Martin said he applied a choke hold on White's neck to release the grip. With White calmed down, Martin said he told the paramedics to go to the hospital and he would follow.
Martin said that if he were allowed to speak with Franks uninterrupted, the confrontation would not have happened.
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I wonder if Trooper Martin knows that his amazing specimien of expert police work is on video? "Martin said White kept getting in his way" Maybe before the video started rolling, but I doubt it. "Another scuffle ensued, and Martin said White grabbed him around the neck, refusing to let go." Huh...that's funny, it sure looks like he gave you a little shove because you advanced on him and then his hands were at his sides. I don't see a choke hold, other than the piss-poor example that Trooper Martin displays.
# posted by 
: June 2, 2009 7:45 AM
: June 2, 2009 7:45 AM
EVEN IF, the middle finger was displayed, which I doubt, The US Supreme Court has already ruled that it is protected under the First Amendment. Martin is just trying to justify his Gestapo mentality.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 8:46 AM
: June 2, 2009 8:46 AM
On the basis of what we've seen so far -- both here and at Officer.com -- it appears that Trooper Martin deserves to become ex-trooper-and-current-convict Martin. The guy was out of control. We do NOT need the storm-trooper mentality any more in the U.S.
Oh, and I've never seen a department-approved choke hold that involved both hands in a strangulation position.
Oh, and I've never seen a department-approved choke hold that involved both hands in a strangulation position.
Ooooo arent we all so lucky that this law enforcement superman deemed a stolen car soooo important as to put the public in danger by running hot? Gees I wonder how fast he responds to a REAL emergency? Auto theft is not an emergency unless we are talking about car jacking with a kid left inside the car. But we are talking about small town mentalities in Podunk Oklahoma. This was obviously a major crime for Barney Fife. SOmeone get this guy a job ap from McDonald's please, hes a hazard to the rest of us.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 9:17 AM
: June 2, 2009 9:17 AM
He wasn't flipping him off. He was showing him that cops are # 1.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 9:28 AM
: June 2, 2009 9:28 AM
Numerous instances in case law have said time after time - flipping off a state trooper or other LEO is NOT illegal. Stupid maybe, but NOT illegal.
And trooper Martin knew this - thats why he gave a warning about failure to yield and not for flipping him off.
And trooper Martin knew this - thats why he gave a warning about failure to yield and not for flipping him off.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 10:01 AM
: June 2, 2009 10:01 AM
Well, the plot thickens. I am still waiting for the dash cam from OHP to be released.........
Time will tell on this one. Now it begins........"But, he choked me FIRST!"
Time will tell on this one. Now it begins........"But, he choked me FIRST!"
I have heard this officer has done this before with ambulance drivers. Is this true? I doubt any real reports will follow through and give us the rest of the story. If this cop has a history of doing this the public needs to know as well as a jury.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 12:55 PM
: June 2, 2009 12:55 PM
If the trooper was running emergency, then his dash cam should have been rolling and caught the EMT's finger out of the window.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 2:11 PM
: June 2, 2009 2:11 PM
With the finger aside, the Trooper should not have put his hands around the EMT's neck. What gets me is all the other Troopers stood there and watched. I think both are at fault, but more so on the Trooper.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 2:17 PM
: June 2, 2009 2:17 PM
Yes the plot thickens. Having been an EMT for over 20 years and a fire officer for 8 years. And a sworn law enforcement officer since 11 years. This thing escalated way beyond anything that should have happened. The office most likley has a high arrest and conviction rate because he pushes the enevelope. This makes him a good officer. But his temper took control that day and felt he had to show his "athourity". Hindsight being 20/20 he and the medic both will probablly wish cooler heads had prevalled. Fire Capt. NC
# posted by : June 2, 2009 2:42 PM
: June 2, 2009 2:42 PM
I think that all involved need to grow up just a bit and have a nice quiet chat with hugs after perhaps a 15 minute thumb sucking and time out...
# posted by : June 2, 2009 2:54 PM
: June 2, 2009 2:54 PM
Interesting how everyone here attacks the police officer. I am an EMT and we respect ALL law officers at ALL times.Yielding to the officer's vehicle would not compromise the outcome of that patients care one bit. That's the bottom line. When the ambulance driver failed to yield, all bets are off, face the consequences.
That was unbelievable. That trooper and his co-workers that stood around and acted like a pack of animals should be fired. It's clear he was on a major power trip. It looked like a bunch of SS. I never much liked living in Oklahoma. That kind of mentality needs to be eradicated.
OHP Scumbag. I dont care if the driver of the EMS rig pulled his pants down and mooned the trooper - which I'm sure will be his next statement of events. If a trooper who carries a gun and a badge cant deal with a guy flipping him off better than interfering with patient care and police brutality via a choke hold, then he should NOT be a cop!!!! What in his pea sized brain would make a shooting justified I wonder? Maybe mouthing "Cops Blow!" would in his mind provide reasonable justification for lethal force...Oh wait...strangulation IS lethal force...what was I thinking?
Dont believe me? Go try to strangle (or place a choke hold) on a cop. See what you get charged with. Another case of living above the laws they were sworn to uphold and protect. SCUMBAG!!!! Does it really surprise anyone that the other cops statement was similar to the scumbag's? NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO.
Dont believe me? Go try to strangle (or place a choke hold) on a cop. See what you get charged with. Another case of living above the laws they were sworn to uphold and protect. SCUMBAG!!!! Does it really surprise anyone that the other cops statement was similar to the scumbag's? NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 3:11 PM
: June 2, 2009 3:11 PM
I would give him the finger now if I could. What a tool. What does it say about a police (or any) organization where this behaviour is event remotely "acceptable". Pity the poor citizens that have to deal with clowns like this.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 3:25 PM
: June 2, 2009 3:25 PM
The trooper may very well have believed he "got the bird", that does not justify him screaming "get in my squad car, I'm giving oyu a ticket right now". (I apologize for paraphrasing). If he really thought that was the case, isn't his job to remain calm and professional at all times? Pissed at the supposed slight? wihout a doubt, but reacting like a madman? He needs to re-evaluate his profession choice.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 3:31 PM
: June 2, 2009 3:31 PM
Here's the problem with this story... anyway you look at it- we are ALL on the same team- EMS, FIRE, or LEO... To protect life & property, and to serve our taxpayers by doing such work. Whether that means locking up bad guys, changing a tire, patient care, or putting a fire out. This gives emergency services a black eye- no matter HOW you look at it. Mike in KY
# posted by : June 2, 2009 3:53 PM
: June 2, 2009 3:53 PM
Nope. BRRRRP. Wrong.
I got to call BS on this one.
Trooper Iker advises he thought that the dash camera video would not be needed, so he SHUT OFF HIS CAMERA???????
WTF?
What is the status of Trooper Martins camera?
I got to call BS on this one.
Trooper Iker advises he thought that the dash camera video would not be needed, so he SHUT OFF HIS CAMERA???????
WTF?
What is the status of Trooper Martins camera?
# posted by : June 2, 2009 4:37 PM
: June 2, 2009 4:37 PM
OK, This is an easy one. If I am one of the troopers and their offical reports are accurate, I'd be begging for the in car tape to be release to back up my story.
The troopers have a very different version then the medics, so.....let's see their tape. Nuff said!
The troopers have a very different version then the medics, so.....let's see their tape. Nuff said!
# posted by : June 2, 2009 4:37 PM
: June 2, 2009 4:37 PM
Mike I couldn't have said it better myself. You have to faces the true It was a stupid. It could have been handle differnet on by both parties invloved, but it wasn't. We are happy to see a Cop when we need one and they are happy to see a medic when they need one we have to have a great working relationship. The fact of the matter is they need to kiss and makeup. Put this crap behide them and make both there department better for this. Jonathan Tx
# posted by : June 2, 2009 5:10 PM
: June 2, 2009 5:10 PM
Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but words (hand jesters) will never harm me.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 5:31 PM
: June 2, 2009 5:31 PM
@Bradley, "When the ambulance driver failed to yield, all bets are off, face the consequences."
The trooper didn't have his siren on according to the statements of the EMT and Paramedic. While he's not required to use a siren per OK law he is required to drive with due regard...which we all know does not include tailgating a vehicle that won't move over.
Title 47. Motor Vehicles Chapter 11 - Rules of the Road Article
Article 4 - Right Of Way
Section 11-405 - Operation Of Vehicles On Approach Of Authorized Emergency Vehicles
A. Upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle making use of audible and visual signals meeting the requirements of Section 12-218 of this act, or of a police vehicle properly and lawfully making use of an audible signal or red flashing lights, the driver of every other vehicle shall yield the right-of-way and shall immediately drive to a position parallel to, and as close as possible to, the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway clear of any intersection and shall stop and remain in such position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed, except when otherwise directed by a police officer.
B. This section shall not be construed to require a peace officer operating a police vehicle properly and lawfully in response to a crime in progress to use audible signals nor shall this section operate to relieve the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons using the highway.
The trooper didn't have his siren on according to the statements of the EMT and Paramedic. While he's not required to use a siren per OK law he is required to drive with due regard...which we all know does not include tailgating a vehicle that won't move over.
Title 47. Motor Vehicles Chapter 11 - Rules of the Road Article
Article 4 - Right Of Way
Section 11-405 - Operation Of Vehicles On Approach Of Authorized Emergency Vehicles
A. Upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle making use of audible and visual signals meeting the requirements of Section 12-218 of this act, or of a police vehicle properly and lawfully making use of an audible signal or red flashing lights, the driver of every other vehicle shall yield the right-of-way and shall immediately drive to a position parallel to, and as close as possible to, the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway clear of any intersection and shall stop and remain in such position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed, except when otherwise directed by a police officer.
B. This section shall not be construed to require a peace officer operating a police vehicle properly and lawfully in response to a crime in progress to use audible signals nor shall this section operate to relieve the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons using the highway.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 5:38 PM
: June 2, 2009 5:38 PM
Same team?? we should be but I doubt it. The troops think they are above us all. Just the sheer fact they stopped an ambulance WITH a pt on board and refused to let it continue on to the hospital? What in the world were they thinking? or they weren't thinking at all.
The troops should be jobless at this point and time. The family of the pt have every right to file suit against the troopers as well and I hope they do.
The troops should be jobless at this point and time. The family of the pt have every right to file suit against the troopers as well and I hope they do.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 5:38 PM
: June 2, 2009 5:38 PM
I think the "pucker factor" has started to kick in for all of the police officers who were on scene and allowed this to escalate to the level it did.
The Paramedics have gotten an attorney; the police are upset because they think they saw a "bird finger"; and now police dash cam footage cannot be found.
Hmmmm. Was that a baby ruth bar that just floated by or was it something else.
The Paramedics have gotten an attorney; the police are upset because they think they saw a "bird finger"; and now police dash cam footage cannot be found.
Hmmmm. Was that a baby ruth bar that just floated by or was it something else.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 6:05 PM
: June 2, 2009 6:05 PM
Curious how most are ready to condem the trooper(s)
in my humble opinion I would have handled the matter a lot differently, prob would have made a phone all to the parameds supervisor
I know this is a hot button topic, but as a possible jury member anywhere it would be best to view all the evidence before passing judgement
in my humble opinion I would have handled the matter a lot differently, prob would have made a phone all to the parameds supervisor
I know this is a hot button topic, but as a possible jury member anywhere it would be best to view all the evidence before passing judgement
# posted by : June 2, 2009 6:13 PM
: June 2, 2009 6:13 PM
Just as we thought. The driver was guilty of "contempt of cop". It's obvious trooper Martin has little self control. How many other people has he assaulted for calling him names or making obscene gestures??
# posted by : June 2, 2009 6:17 PM
: June 2, 2009 6:17 PM
So many cops are simply out of control and the governing authoritues are helpless to do anything about it given the power police organizations have aquired. Unfortunately this eventually leads to total disrespect of law enforcement and the innocent hardworking, respectful and law abiding officers get caught in the crossfire, literally. The police community needs to raise the educational and psychological standards of police officer candidates followed by a strict code of discipline once on the job. Then and only then will the police become respected like their brethren in the FBI whose standards are so much higher. Until then we will be faced with personnel that are one step above overly agressive security guards.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 8:01 PM
: June 2, 2009 8:01 PM
I will make this short and sweet...There are 3 sides to every story. Each has a story, and then there is the truth....Each story has some of the truth...but details are left out on each side. This is a perfect example.
No one needs to be fired, a good written reprimand for conduct unbecoming a public safety official!
No one needs to be fired, a good written reprimand for conduct unbecoming a public safety official!
Bradley is not an EMT he is a cop.
All bets are off, bradley? You should be out of a job either way. Why do they let people with low I.Q.s have pcs?
All bets are off, bradley? You should be out of a job either way. Why do they let people with low I.Q.s have pcs?
# posted by : June 2, 2009 8:29 PM
: June 2, 2009 8:29 PM
I am a Peace Officer in the state of California. I hate it when cops like these troopers in OK. state make us all look like roid raging inbred idiots. As law enforcement officers we are faced with lous mouths every day. We must learn to control our anger and always keep a professional demeanor. We are all on the same mission which is "Public Safety" we must work together. Police, Fire and EMS must always work together. Human life always takes priority over property. At least in my department we yield to EMS and Fire on a code3 call. I have written and read many statements and reports in my 5 years as a peace officer. The report written by trooper Martin seems like it has inconsistencies and falsifications.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 9:58 PM
: June 2, 2009 9:58 PM
Nobody has mentioned this... but the Paramedic taking care of the patient in the back of the ambulance committed "Abandonment" when they left the patient's side. There was nobody else in the back to take care of that woman, even if it was only BLS care. He should've never left her side.
And the cop... well, he should be in the food stamp line by now.
And the cop... well, he should be in the food stamp line by now.
# posted by : June 2, 2009 11:11 PM
: June 2, 2009 11:11 PM
The following I have posted on my sites and sent to the Governor of Oklahoma. I am disgusted at the statement made by District 24 District Attorney Max Cook and I quote from a reliable source, “I had a brief conversation with District 24 District Attorney Max Cook on Tuesday. He explained that the initial and primary focus of the ongoing investigation is to determine if any charges will be brought against the EMS crew. While it is not the current priority, Cook would not rule out the possibility his office could look to see if there is any merit to claims the troopers interfered with EMS providers.” ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Well justice just took the lowest possible road! This District Attorney needs to be held accountable as well as the OHP Trooper in question, as far as I am concerned! He is “PROTECTING” the law enforcement “officer” and from what it sounds is doing what he can to “overlook” the negligence that was actually done (caught on video) by the OHP Officer by placing “blame” onto the EMS crew. RELEASE THE OHP Dash cam video Mr. Cook and let’s see who is telling the truth! I am just thankful that we live in a State that doesn’t allow a “BACKWARDS” country approach to law enforcement and JUSTICE! I ONLY HOPE your office is looking into this. This is a shame for our justice system to have this type of leadership in District 24 making comments like this without ALL the facts on the table!
"One of the troopers admits he shut off the camera in his car after arriving on the scene."
I think this explains a lot. Why shut this off unless you wanted to hide something? That may even show that the cop was going to get physical as he knew he wouldn't want his improper actions showing on the camera. The OK state police shouldn't allow them to turn the cameras off, otherwise why even have them if all they are going to do is turn them off when they know they are going to abuse their authority.
I think this explains a lot. Why shut this off unless you wanted to hide something? That may even show that the cop was going to get physical as he knew he wouldn't want his improper actions showing on the camera. The OK state police shouldn't allow them to turn the cameras off, otherwise why even have them if all they are going to do is turn them off when they know they are going to abuse their authority.
# posted by : June 3, 2009 3:56 AM
: June 3, 2009 3:56 AM
Paramedic White didn’t “abandon” his patient nor had he compromised patient care. According to the patient’s written statement, someone knocked on the side door and Maurice White opened it and the rest was history when the patient’s son started recording again. This California Paramedic supports the EMS crew 100% because, no matter what the EMT had done (not yielding, finger gestures etc…), there was no reason why OHP Officer Martin couldn’t have followed the ambulance to the hospital and dealt with the problem there. Sadly, there are bad seeds in all departments. I’m just glad most of our CHP officers are wonderful and professional.
Fire the EMT and Paramedic.
Breach of Peace, assault on Law Enforcement Officer... seriously?When did patient care become secondary to ego - I don't remember that part of my EMS training.
The EMS was wrong and should face harsh penalties to make an example of them so that others will think twice before compromising the level of care they are providing.
Breach of Peace, assault on Law Enforcement Officer... seriously?When did patient care become secondary to ego - I don't remember that part of my EMS training.
The EMS was wrong and should face harsh penalties to make an example of them so that others will think twice before compromising the level of care they are providing.
# posted by : June 3, 2009 5:59 AM
: June 3, 2009 5:59 AM
Fire the EMT & Paramedic??????
HOW ABOUT THE COP TOO????
The Trooper once reliazing they had a patient abourd should have asked what the desination is and followed them to the hospital. He then should have acted in a professional & respectable manor. They could have both had a chance to have there supervisors present and prevent the unwarented assaults that occured.
Regardless I don't think a 2 handed choking on any person is allowed. that becaomes an assault and use of force beyond a resonable manor. Should be interesting when the courts get the case.
HOW ABOUT THE COP TOO????
The Trooper once reliazing they had a patient abourd should have asked what the desination is and followed them to the hospital. He then should have acted in a professional & respectable manor. They could have both had a chance to have there supervisors present and prevent the unwarented assaults that occured.
Regardless I don't think a 2 handed choking on any person is allowed. that becaomes an assault and use of force beyond a resonable manor. Should be interesting when the courts get the case.
# posted by : June 3, 2009 10:05 AM
: June 3, 2009 10:05 AM
I like the idea of a timeout and group hug for all. The 99.9% of us in Fire, EMS and Law Enforcement who work great together with the highest degree of professionalism can see a battle of egos here. If there ever was a case of 2 wrongs don't make a right, this is it. I hope when the investigation is completed, ALL parties are held accountable for their lack of judgement. I don't think anyone should be fired, but perhaps some time on the bench and anger management classes would best remedy the situation. P.S. The video from the other Troopers' dash cams will vilify the guilty and vindicate the innocent. Hopefully OHP will release any they may be holding on to. Triple J FL
# posted by : June 3, 2009 10:07 AM
: June 3, 2009 10:07 AM
No dash cam footage huh? Shut it off huh?
Now, THATS interesting. What a mess.
Trooper Martin is in deep crap. Rightfully so too. Punishment for the EMS crew? Minimal.
Punishment for the Trooper? Severe. Just my two cents. Choking bad. I mena the guys hands were lowered to his sides at that time!
Now, THATS interesting. What a mess.
Trooper Martin is in deep crap. Rightfully so too. Punishment for the EMS crew? Minimal.
Punishment for the Trooper? Severe. Just my two cents. Choking bad. I mena the guys hands were lowered to his sides at that time!
Abandonment?
Nah. Too many old wifes tales going on about abandonment anyways.
Get some education.
http://www.jems.com/news_and_articles/columns/Maggiore/Patient_Abandonment.html
Nah. Too many old wifes tales going on about abandonment anyways.
Get some education.
http://www.jems.com/news_and_articles/columns/Maggiore/Patient_Abandonment.html
# posted by : June 3, 2009 11:43 AM
: June 3, 2009 11:43 AM
One has only to look at all the recent stories about policemen and firefighters arguing and getting arrested over jurisdiction issues to understand that the police are on the verge of siezing control of this country. Even asking "why am I being arrested?" can get you a charge of resisting nowadays. I always thought you had the right to known the charges against you...isnt that in the Bill of Rights or something?
# posted by : June 3, 2009 1:35 PM
: June 3, 2009 1:35 PM
Wow, so the trooper states in his report that he grabbed Medic White by the throat and told him to calm down. I worked for over 12 years in the largest jail in Minnesota. I can honestly say that I never saw anyone calm down when they were grabbed by the throat, even if they were told to calm down. I'm not sure what de-escalation techniques are taught by the OSP, but they might want to work on the verbal end of their use of force spectrum.
It's a funny thing that raised voices and barked orders never seem to have much of a calming influence on someone that is worked up. If anything it usually has the opposite effect during a confrontation.
Are there lessons to be learned here? Absolutely! Sometimes it might be best to take a deep breath and ask whether a situation is really what it seems.
I don't know what gestures were actually displayed that day, but I'm amazed that it was worth the trooper's time to pull over anyone to give them a lecture on respect. It makes me wonder how many traffic stops were the scene of this trooper dressing down someone for their lack of respect for his position of authority.
Shifting gears just a little bit...
It really seems strange that a trooper or other law enforcement officer would turn off the camera in their vehicle when they are not sure of the situation they have found. The trooper states that he is not sure what is going on, just that his assistance has been requested by another trooper. That camera might have been a valuable tool to help reconstruct the events. Funny how it is an unknown situation, but not one important enough to let the camera continue recording video.
Third and final thought...
Is this a case of multiple people having tunnel vision? "I'm in charge!" Wow, check out that old video the hats of incident command, but it sure fits this situation.
"My focus is on getting this patient to the hospital and it is the most important thing at this moment."
"I'm running hot, you didn't pull over, you showed a lack of respect and I have to immediately address those shortcomings no matter what else is happening"
"I'm not sure what is happening, I have to assume that my co-worker is in the right, I don't know all the details, but if there is any chance of it becoming dangerous I will err on the side of my co-worker."
It just might be time for all parties involved to take a moment, take a couple deep breaths, and ask how we can avoid this in the future. Is this a teachable moment for both sides?
WHY CAN"T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?
It's a funny thing that raised voices and barked orders never seem to have much of a calming influence on someone that is worked up. If anything it usually has the opposite effect during a confrontation.
Are there lessons to be learned here? Absolutely! Sometimes it might be best to take a deep breath and ask whether a situation is really what it seems.
I don't know what gestures were actually displayed that day, but I'm amazed that it was worth the trooper's time to pull over anyone to give them a lecture on respect. It makes me wonder how many traffic stops were the scene of this trooper dressing down someone for their lack of respect for his position of authority.
Shifting gears just a little bit...
It really seems strange that a trooper or other law enforcement officer would turn off the camera in their vehicle when they are not sure of the situation they have found. The trooper states that he is not sure what is going on, just that his assistance has been requested by another trooper. That camera might have been a valuable tool to help reconstruct the events. Funny how it is an unknown situation, but not one important enough to let the camera continue recording video.
Third and final thought...
Is this a case of multiple people having tunnel vision? "I'm in charge!" Wow, check out that old video the hats of incident command, but it sure fits this situation.
"My focus is on getting this patient to the hospital and it is the most important thing at this moment."
"I'm running hot, you didn't pull over, you showed a lack of respect and I have to immediately address those shortcomings no matter what else is happening"
"I'm not sure what is happening, I have to assume that my co-worker is in the right, I don't know all the details, but if there is any chance of it becoming dangerous I will err on the side of my co-worker."
It just might be time for all parties involved to take a moment, take a couple deep breaths, and ask how we can avoid this in the future. Is this a teachable moment for both sides?
WHY CAN"T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?
# posted by : June 3, 2009 6:00 PM
: June 3, 2009 6:00 PM
None of this had to happen. OHP had no way to know there was a patient since the Ambulance was code 1. White should have never left the patient. Everything escalated when he got out. The driver should have notified dispatch that he had a patient and would meet OHP at the Hospital. End of story. Instead an angry medic meets an angry cop and everything goes downhil in a hurry. Makes everybody look like fools. I'm sure the citizens of that area will have great confidence in their emergency services
# posted by : June 3, 2009 6:02 PM
: June 3, 2009 6:02 PM
This law clearly states the Patrolman broke the law:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69279
Aside from the fact the Patrolman broke the law,he didn't not respect the First Amendment rights of the EMT. In a Supreme Court case the Patrolman is completely in the wrong.
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69279
Aside from the fact the Patrolman broke the law,he didn't not respect the First Amendment rights of the EMT. In a Supreme Court case the Patrolman is completely in the wrong.
# posted by : June 3, 2009 8:11 PM
: June 3, 2009 8:11 PM
What these kind of police need is a General from the army to make them do 100000000 push-ups. Not so high and mighty are you now assholes...
# posted by : June 3, 2009 9:36 PM
: June 3, 2009 9:36 PM
Oklahoma Statutes Citationized
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
Chapter 20 - Assault and Battery
Section 650.3 - Interference with Emergency Medical Technicians or Care Providers - Punishment
Cite as: O.S. §, __ __
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Every person who willfully delays, obstructs or in any way interferes with an emergency medical technician or other emergency medical care provider in the performance of or attempt to perform emergency medical care and treatment or in going to or returning from the scene of a medical emergency, upon conviction, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six (6) months, or by a fine not to exceed Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or by both such fine and imprisonment.
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
Chapter 20 - Assault and Battery
Section 650.3 - Interference with Emergency Medical Technicians or Care Providers - Punishment
Cite as: O.S. §, __ __
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Every person who willfully delays, obstructs or in any way interferes with an emergency medical technician or other emergency medical care provider in the performance of or attempt to perform emergency medical care and treatment or in going to or returning from the scene of a medical emergency, upon conviction, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six (6) months, or by a fine not to exceed Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or by both such fine and imprisonment.
I am pleased to see that most feel as I do, that the troopers were in the wrong on several counts. I have been involved in law enforcement on several different levels. I have stood and listened while a woman cussed me like a dog after I issued her a citation but I did not drag her from her vehicle and beat her, choke her, etc. Note that I didn't say I wouldn't have liked to, just that I restrained myself and acted professionally. As a matter of fact, after she had her say, I politely said, "have a nice day, ma'am" and walked away. If a female officer like myself can do such a thing, why is it that a "big, bad trooper" couldn't get past the thought of getting the finger? As cops, one deals with verbal and gestural harassment daily. I think we have more important things to do with our time than be offended by a finger. There's an old joke, "What's the difference between God and a trooper?" "God doesn't think he's a trooper." It's proving accurate in this case. Shamefully, this will be what people think of when they think of OHP, rather than the good officers that do "protect and serve."
# posted by : June 4, 2009 12:40 AM
: June 4, 2009 12:40 AM
After reading and looking at all the information so far I have to say that the EMS crew is RIGHT and WRONG, and the trooper was in the RIGHT and WRONG.
The trooper is more in the wrong than the EMS crew, but Mr. White made a big mistake. Yes he thought the trooper had a patient in the squad car that needed help, but he should not have just jumped out of the ambulance and headed towards the car. Police officers are trained to think of everyone as a possible threat unless they are in cuffs. While I think Mr. White's intensions were good he should have just asked out the window if the trooper had a patient for them to look at and advising them they already had a patient.
However the EMT driving made a mistake by pulling over in the first place. If the police and ambulance crew had a radio channel that they could talk to one another on then the driver should have advised his dispatch of the trooper, and then told the trooper on the radio he had a patient needing to get to the hospital and he will speak with them at the hospital letting him know which one they were going to.
Now for the moron of a trooper. I do not care if someone in the ambulance moons you, the second he heard there was a patient in the ambulance he should have asked what hospital they were going to and followed them there. Placing two hands around a person’s neck is NOT A CALMING OR LEGAL RESTRINGING TECHNIQUE. It is battery plain and simply. The other trooper shutting off his dash cam was only doing it to hide something. No officer should be able to shut off his dash cam whenever he chooses, because they are in the squads for a reason.
And for my final comments are to everyone’s comments. I do not know all the laws in this state, and NONE OF US DO. The trooper was responding as a backup car to assist another department with a stolen car. If his lights are on then I would have to think that the other department might have been stopping a stolen car and that is what the trooper was going to, which means yes his lights will be on, but so should his siren. Most of you think the trooper should not have been driving fast or using his lights. We can not say that because we do not know all the facts of the call he was heading to.
Now all of this my 2 cents with some experience driving both an ambulance and police car with lights and siren running. So before we start hanging or firing anyone, lets let all the facts that can come out come out.
The trooper is more in the wrong than the EMS crew, but Mr. White made a big mistake. Yes he thought the trooper had a patient in the squad car that needed help, but he should not have just jumped out of the ambulance and headed towards the car. Police officers are trained to think of everyone as a possible threat unless they are in cuffs. While I think Mr. White's intensions were good he should have just asked out the window if the trooper had a patient for them to look at and advising them they already had a patient.
However the EMT driving made a mistake by pulling over in the first place. If the police and ambulance crew had a radio channel that they could talk to one another on then the driver should have advised his dispatch of the trooper, and then told the trooper on the radio he had a patient needing to get to the hospital and he will speak with them at the hospital letting him know which one they were going to.
Now for the moron of a trooper. I do not care if someone in the ambulance moons you, the second he heard there was a patient in the ambulance he should have asked what hospital they were going to and followed them there. Placing two hands around a person’s neck is NOT A CALMING OR LEGAL RESTRINGING TECHNIQUE. It is battery plain and simply. The other trooper shutting off his dash cam was only doing it to hide something. No officer should be able to shut off his dash cam whenever he chooses, because they are in the squads for a reason.
And for my final comments are to everyone’s comments. I do not know all the laws in this state, and NONE OF US DO. The trooper was responding as a backup car to assist another department with a stolen car. If his lights are on then I would have to think that the other department might have been stopping a stolen car and that is what the trooper was going to, which means yes his lights will be on, but so should his siren. Most of you think the trooper should not have been driving fast or using his lights. We can not say that because we do not know all the facts of the call he was heading to.
Now all of this my 2 cents with some experience driving both an ambulance and police car with lights and siren running. So before we start hanging or firing anyone, lets let all the facts that can come out come out.
# posted by : June 4, 2009 9:31 PM
: June 4, 2009 9:31 PM
I'm just glad the Trooper didn't have a dog! That kind of encounter, someone would have really gotten hurt!!
# posted by : June 4, 2009 11:19 PM
: June 4, 2009 11:19 PM
Umm, yeah, the Paramedic did abandon their patient. He got out of the ambulance as soon as it was pulled over. In the statement from the Police Officer, he stated that the Paramedic (White) continually interfered with the conversation by getting in front of his EMT driver, thus causing the arrest. Therefore, he had to have gotten out of the ambulance, thereby abandoning his patient.
Try again?
Try again?
# posted by : June 5, 2009 9:58 PM
: June 5, 2009 9:58 PM
...haha... but the first time a cop flips off a black man... they'll call Jesse Jackson and claim racism!! hahahaha...
# posted by : June 8, 2009 4:30 PM
: June 8, 2009 4:30 PM
When do we get to see the dash cam video.
I'd bet my life that the dash cam shows an out of control cop, and an EMT attempting to defend himself against that half pint would be dictator with a badge.
Come on Mr. Prosecutor, cough up the video of one of your pets attacking a real public servant!
I'd bet my life that the dash cam shows an out of control cop, and an EMT attempting to defend himself against that half pint would be dictator with a badge.
Come on Mr. Prosecutor, cough up the video of one of your pets attacking a real public servant!
# posted by : June 8, 2009 7:41 PM
: June 8, 2009 7:41 PM
All being said - the trooper had his hands on the EMT. Everything else doesn't matter. If the rolls were reversed the EMT might well shot for his actions.
You never put your hands on another - unless you are treating for a medical condition or arresting them "for just cause".
Send the trooper back for training that he must have missed the first time.
Then assign him to ride the ambulance for a few moinths - he needs it ....
You never put your hands on another - unless you are treating for a medical condition or arresting them "for just cause".
Send the trooper back for training that he must have missed the first time.
Then assign him to ride the ambulance for a few moinths - he needs it ....
People hate cops. This is a good reason why. Cops with an attitude give a bad name to all the good loyal hard working cops in the world. Get rid of this piece of crap.
I'm a college educated teacher. Wonder why I hate cops? Watch this video and see them lying through their teeth and abusing their power.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 5:44 PM
: June 13, 2009 5:44 PM
This is a sad incident. Trooper Martin most likley performs his job in an acceptable manner most of the time and is now facing the court of the Internet and public scorn. I feel for him personally, but only so far. He over-exercised his authority in a shameful manner and lacked the self-control to allow an ambulance to complete its mission. Martin may face a few more courts over the next year, but I hope everyone considers Martin's performance balanced over his career. I hope Martin learns from this and can serve Oklahoma with a lot more wisdom and self-discipline in the coming years.
# posted by : June 15, 2009 9:29 PM
: June 15, 2009 9:29 PM
What a JERK, This state trooper should be fired. FIRED, FIRED and FIRED...... I think he hasn't had his donusts today. What about the 1st ammendment? Oh, I forgot, police have there own law. Hot headed and appears to be a big jerk. My comment from South Dakota........
# posted by : June 15, 2009 9:35 PM
: June 15, 2009 9:35 PM
Bryan Iker needs to be fired as well. It's obvious Daniel Martin is quick to get his widdle feelings hurt. He's not man enough to be a good cop,he's a racist punk. Martin and Iker are both liabilities and will most likely go off the deep end and perhaps kill someone--even perhaps killing a good cop. It's obvious Iker condones the craziness displayed by Martin in the video. These two loose cannons need to join the unemployed and be made an example that the department will not tolerate whack job cops. Obviously,if the cops are claiming that they were unaware of a patient in the back of the ambulance...Bad judgment on their part. One would think that astute observation would be a part of the job. Martin has admitted he didn't even notice a patient. Was he not even curious? That kind of blindness can get yourself and others killed.
Can you imagine what Martin will do when given the finger from a teen aged runaway and no one else is around?
Can you imagine what Martin will do when given the finger from a teen aged runaway and no one else is around?
# posted by : June 15, 2009 10:50 PM
: June 15, 2009 10:50 PM
WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM A TROOPER, AND BESIDES SHOWING OFF FOR HIS WIFE IN THE PATROL CAR, ISN'T THAT AGAINST DEPARTMENT POLICIES, HAVING CIVILIANS ONBOARD LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES, WONDER IF THE BIMBO SIGNED A DEPT RELEASE FORM TO RIDE ON THE UNIT, BOTTOM LINE MARTIN YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE, A %@$% JERK
# posted by : June 15, 2009 11:30 PM
: June 15, 2009 11:30 PM
After watching the police video...I do think Martin should get fired. It is a shame that office Iker also played alone with Martin...Iker should never get promoted because of this attitude.
# posted by : June 15, 2009 11:48 PM
: June 15, 2009 11:48 PM
Apparently all was OK until the cop thought he saw a finger. So, apparently the finger is what caused the cop to react. If that's how he reacts to the finger, he shouldn't be a cop.
Trooper Martin was out of control and does not deserve to be on the streets. His ego is too big to allow him to care for people.
# posted by : June 16, 2009 2:00 PM
: June 16, 2009 2:00 PM
This trooper should lose his badge, gun, be charged with assult and a hate crime. He overstepped his authority big time.
# posted by : June 16, 2009 2:14 PM
: June 16, 2009 2:14 PM
Some people wanted to wrote the OK law regarding use of lights and sirens, but it also comes down to due regard.
Going to a low-priority call wouldn't constitute an emergency response, plus, if the Trooper is following too close, the ambulance wouldn't be able to see him anyways.
Yes, the dash-cam will say a lot, but again, why turn it off??
And the question still stands...why didn't the Trooper simply follow the EMS Rig to the Hospital and deal with it there, or call for the EMS Crew's Supervisor and deal with it like that? Whether the EMS crew was in the wrong or not, the Trooper went way over the line.
Going to a low-priority call wouldn't constitute an emergency response, plus, if the Trooper is following too close, the ambulance wouldn't be able to see him anyways.
Yes, the dash-cam will say a lot, but again, why turn it off??
And the question still stands...why didn't the Trooper simply follow the EMS Rig to the Hospital and deal with it there, or call for the EMS Crew's Supervisor and deal with it like that? Whether the EMS crew was in the wrong or not, the Trooper went way over the line.
# posted by : June 16, 2009 7:22 PM
: June 16, 2009 7:22 PM
As a paramedic i think that the Trooper had no business stopping the ambulance in the first place. He could have easily tracked him down at the hospital for a ticket or butt chewing or what ever he had in mind. But impeading a medic in his duty is a crime same as impeading a peace officer. However if the medic had just gone back to the ambulance and let the trooper chew out his partner for a moment they would have been on there way. In my exprience the best way to handle a cop is to be friendly if that doesn't work be friendly with his supervisor. Some day that trooper will depend on a Paramedic to save his butt, lets hope he remembers that next time. Public servents where I come from are all brothers. Some times we yell at each other in the heat of battle but at the end of the day were all that each other has.
# posted by : June 16, 2009 8:41 PM
: June 16, 2009 8:41 PM
How about we encourage ANYONE that lives in the area to start giving one finger waves to the state troopers until this guy is fired? Put a sign on your vehicle that says "if you want a wave with all my fingers, fire Trooper Martin". :-) Public opinion and trust is something the troopers need- and this ain't getting it for them!
# posted by : June 16, 2009 10:11 PM
: June 16, 2009 10:11 PM
Well we've managed to make the national headlines repeatedly in the last few years; immature troopers, a Senator who insists global warming is a fantasy, near last in the nation in education, wealth and health, it's time to stand up and make ourselves heard.
If you are obese, poorly educated, immature, addicted to methamphetamine, corrupt or a lifelong redneck, pay us a visit: you'll fit right in. Welcome to Oklahoma.
If you are obese, poorly educated, immature, addicted to methamphetamine, corrupt or a lifelong redneck, pay us a visit: you'll fit right in. Welcome to Oklahoma.
# posted by : June 17, 2009 2:37 PM
: June 17, 2009 2:37 PM
When will the masses understand that we live not only in a Police State, but in a Police Nation.
This type of behavior is accepted by all. It is accepted by law enforcement because their mindset is they are the law. It is accepted by the masses because NO ONE HAS DONE or WILL DO anything about it.
What the Police say, goes, no matter what and YOU can't change it. YOU just suffer their transgressions/actions and they know it BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LAW.
This type of behavior is accepted by all. It is accepted by law enforcement because their mindset is they are the law. It is accepted by the masses because NO ONE HAS DONE or WILL DO anything about it.
What the Police say, goes, no matter what and YOU can't change it. YOU just suffer their transgressions/actions and they know it BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LAW.
# posted by : June 17, 2009 5:35 PM
: June 17, 2009 5:35 PM
Having read Trooper Martin's account of the incident, I have serious doubts that he was there. His account has little to do with the events on the two videos. What he says happened is sort of like putting subtitles from one movie onto another. The man needs help. Maurice for governor.
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Having read Trooper Martin's report of the incident I am almost convinced that he was either not there or was on some kind of drugs when he wrote his report. His details have little to do with the two videos (+ audios)of the event. Does he think everyone is as dumb as he is? Reading his account is kind of like putting subtitles from one movie onto another. If the man is going to fabricate lies he should not try to do it with a dozen witnesses and two videos. He does not even have what it takes to be a bad cop.
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If I were the patient in the ambulance or the family standing watching this debaucle while my mother was on her way to the hospital, I would sue the State of Oklahoma and their inbred HP officer. I was a cop for 7 years and this type of outburst on behalf of a hopped up adrenaline freak needs to be dealt with - protect and serve - their was a MEDICAL INCIDENT here kids - Amazing grace. I thought the EMS workers were very calm throughout this situation. OHP you have been publically disgraced and your DA who's looking into citing the driver is a complete and total moron. Sad. Take the officer's gun and badge away before he prohibits or kills someone.
# posted by : June 20, 2009 7:22 PM
: June 20, 2009 7:22 PM
When it comes down to it, Many Police officers think they are the law. choke hold on a paramedic is just as bad as a rodney king beating. when did he realize his badge on his body outwieghed his judgement of making right or wrong decisions. I hope he knows how to put a mean choke hold on some burger king patties!!!
# posted by : July 23, 2009 8:25 AM
: July 23, 2009 8:25 AM
District Attorney Max Cook and Martin BOTH need to be put behind bars!! This is EXACTLY the kind of unhanded "Justice" that will start the next Civil War. All SS thugs need to be fired and jailed.
# posted by : July 23, 2009 9:15 AM
: July 23, 2009 9:15 AM
As a wife of a VA State Trooper, I have heard of many situations where different types of vehicles are required to run code. If the ambulance was not running code and the trooper was, the ambulance is required to yield. The problem began when the attendant in the back came at the officer. The trooper reacted to the threat with extreme measures, for which he should be reprimanded, and all should learn a very valuable lesson on how to perform to the best of their abilities.
# posted by : July 25, 2009 12:14 AM
: July 25, 2009 12:14 AM
This is what you get when you allow uneducated fouls to enforce the law.
# posted by : August 13, 2009 11:17 AM
: August 13, 2009 11:17 AM
I am a military spouse and we were lucky enough to leave OKC after eight years. I was shocked by the constant and blatant abuse of authority of police officers I personally witnessed while we were living there. What I hope to communicate here is that real change does not come from posting comments online only, but in writing officials and filing formal complaints. On one occasion I went to the police station to file a complaint against an officer because I had witnessed behavior similar to this. The officer at the station asked to hear my story and then told me there was no reason for me to file a complaint. The police cannot refuse to allow you file a complaint - they cannot pass judgment on the validity of a complaint of one of their own officers. Please take the time to file a complaint and write city and state officials when you have a problem with law enforcement!
# posted by : October 25, 2009 9:16 AM
: October 25, 2009 9:16 AM
How about we encourage ANYONE that lives in the area to start giving one finger waves to the state troopers until this guy is fired? Put a sign on your vehicle that says "if you want a wave with all my fingers, fire Trooper Martin". :-)
This is a brilliant idea!
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This is a brilliant idea!
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