Friday, June 12, 2009
UPDATED - MUST SEE VIDEO: Full dash cam video now released by OHP. Prosecutor calls Trooper Daniel Martin's actions "inappropriate from the outset".
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Late on Friday the Oklahoma Highway Patrol reversed its previous position and released the video from the dash cam mounted in Trooper Daniel Martin's car. Technical difficulties prevented Oklahoma news agencies from using the entire video on Friday evening. The complete version is now available.
It shows the initial interaction between Martin and an EMS crew from Creek Nation on May 24 and continues through the part of the confrontation previously not seen in the cell phone video taken by the patient's son..
Here are excerpts from an article by Manny Gamallo at Tulsa World:
Earlier in the day Friday, authorities had said a two-week-long internal investigation into the May 24 confrontation had been completed and that the agency would not be releasing the dash-cam video.The agency changed course, however, and officials with the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety released a statement at 10:37 p.m., saying they had determined that "it was in the best interest of the public" to release the videotape from a trooper's dashboard camera.
The videotape shows an OHP trooper passing an ambulance and then radioing to the ambulance driver that "you guys need to watch your rear-view mirror."
It goes on to show the trooper stopping the ambulance and trying to talk to the driver. Explicit language and two separate physical altercations ensue.
The patrol car's sirens can be heard on the video.
OHP Capt. Chris West said earlier in the day Friday that the results of the internal investigation were turned over Friday to the patrol's chief, Col. Van M. Guillotte, who will make the final determination on whether disciplinary actions are brought against the trooper. He did not know how long that review would take.
The video above is from the cell phone camera of the patient's son.
The ambulance was in the process of taking a woman to the hospital at nearby Prague when it was stopped by Martin for allegedly failing to yield to his patrol car while it was en route to a stolen-car report in Paden.
The ambulance did not have its emergency lights or siren on.
The trooper also claimed that the ambulance driver, Paul Franks, gave him an obscene finger gesture — a claim denied by Franks.
Martin had tried to arrest White for obstructing an officer when the scuffle broke out between them. Martin said he was trying to talk with Franks about the failure to yield but White kept trying to come between them.
West stressed that the internal investigation focused on whether any of the patrol's policies or procedures were violated. He noted that Okfuskee County District Attorney Max Cook has declined to file any criminal charges as a result of the incident.
In other developments, Trooper Martin and his attorney have called a press conference for Monday.
Also, the prosecutor who handled the investigation into the confrontation made his displeasure with the actions of a trooper very clear in a letter to the OHP boss. District Attorney Max Cook (District 24) sent the letter to Colonel Van M. Guillotte on the same day he publicized his decision not to file charges in the May 24 incident captured on video.
Colonel Van M. Guillotte from OHP website.
In the letter DA Cook wrote, "It is my opinion Trooper Martin's handling of this situation was inappropriate from the outset." Cook added, "... I expect law enforcement officers to treat all citizens with respect. I do not think this can be said about Trooper Martin's actions on May 24, 2009".
The letter was first made public by the Okemah News Leader.
Max Cook also made it known in the letter that he doesn't "condone the actions of the ambulance worker".
While deciding not to press charges, the district attorney told Col. Guillotte he believes "misdemeanor crimes may have been committed during the incident". Despite that, Cook did not think justice, or the interests of the public, would be served by filing charges.
Trooper Martin has been on administrative leave since June 1. Fox News' Brian Wilson caught up with the trooper at his home. Martin told Wilson, "I believe we should allow this investigation to take its course".
Reporters in Oklahoma have also confirmed the woman in Trooper Martin's car at the time of the incident is the trooper's wife.
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ugh... What a mess... Why is it every public service agency has to be in a pissing contest with eachother?!?!?
Its not "every" public service agency, just the cops....and not just in Ok. They have been on a nationwide power trip since 9/11. Grannies getting forced from their cars and tazed, dogs shot for little reason, high speed chases gone wild and people are DYING in them, INNOCENT PEOPLE. Dont believe me? Go somewhere public and try to shoot pics or video and see how long it is before a doughnut muncher arrives to tell you that you cant videotape here...or you cant shoot pics of my traffic stop...etc. I want to put together a smack down tape called "Cops gone wild" and put it out on the internet.
# posted by 
: June 12, 2009 3:43 PM
: June 12, 2009 3:43 PM
"Reporters in Oklahoma have also confirmed the woman in Trooper Martin's car at the time of the incident is the trooper's wife."
I guess he had to act tough and put on a good 'show' for the Mrs.
I guess he had to act tough and put on a good 'show' for the Mrs.
# posted by : June 12, 2009 3:58 PM
: June 12, 2009 3:58 PM
After seeing his picture, I can tell you exactly why the trooper did this. He has classic "short man's syndrome" in that he feels he needs to make up for his inadequate height with attitude. I can almost guarantee you he rides a Harley too.
# posted by : June 12, 2009 11:20 PM
: June 12, 2009 11:20 PM
He may be short, but I should point out that most people standing next to Brian Wilson look pretty short.
Statter
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After seeing the dash cam video, it would appear there were mistakes made on both sides of this.
True, the paramedic is in charge of the unit, but the trooper wanted to talk to the driver. And he had every right to. He didn't need to speak to all involved like they were children. Most troopers are courteous. Even if he did mistake the drivers gesture as one of dis-respect, he should have handled things more professionally. The trooper telling the ambulance driver over the emergency radio to "check his mirrors" was totally uncalled for. As is apparent in the video, the driver was paying attention to the vehicle in front of him. Wheras the trooper WAS using his lights AND siren, it is not always apparent to drivers that there is an approaching emergency vehicle. Any trooper with experiencce KNOWS this.
The paramedic did. I'm sorry to say, "cop an attitude" on exiting his vehicle. If he had just allowed the trooper to speak his piece with the DRIVER, this could all have been avoided.
The situation digressed when both believed they had the upper hand. I commend the paramedic for trying to protect his patients well-being. I commend the trooper for trying to "educate" someone about yeilding to emergency vehicles. It would appear ego got in the way.
My opinion, the paramedic, the trooper, and their respective supervisors should sit down and talk this out. At this point it would appear all involved are tyring to "save face". Admit that mistakes were made on both sides and lets put this behind us.
As long as this story makes news, it puts a blemish on ALL of us "first respoders", wether we be law enforcement or emergency medical servises.
True, the paramedic is in charge of the unit, but the trooper wanted to talk to the driver. And he had every right to. He didn't need to speak to all involved like they were children. Most troopers are courteous. Even if he did mistake the drivers gesture as one of dis-respect, he should have handled things more professionally. The trooper telling the ambulance driver over the emergency radio to "check his mirrors" was totally uncalled for. As is apparent in the video, the driver was paying attention to the vehicle in front of him. Wheras the trooper WAS using his lights AND siren, it is not always apparent to drivers that there is an approaching emergency vehicle. Any trooper with experiencce KNOWS this.
The paramedic did. I'm sorry to say, "cop an attitude" on exiting his vehicle. If he had just allowed the trooper to speak his piece with the DRIVER, this could all have been avoided.
The situation digressed when both believed they had the upper hand. I commend the paramedic for trying to protect his patients well-being. I commend the trooper for trying to "educate" someone about yeilding to emergency vehicles. It would appear ego got in the way.
My opinion, the paramedic, the trooper, and their respective supervisors should sit down and talk this out. At this point it would appear all involved are tyring to "save face". Admit that mistakes were made on both sides and lets put this behind us.
As long as this story makes news, it puts a blemish on ALL of us "first respoders", wether we be law enforcement or emergency medical servises.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 7:41 AM
: June 13, 2009 7:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azIWBgdK1cw
Talk about a prick, that trooper was such an ass. If it were so bad that the ambo did not yield, then why not pull them over sooner.
How many times has it taken a few seconds for a car to pull to the side of an Engine or Ambo responding?
I would have called for a 10-13 on the trooper...
Talk about a prick, that trooper was such an ass. If it were so bad that the ambo did not yield, then why not pull them over sooner.
How many times has it taken a few seconds for a car to pull to the side of an Engine or Ambo responding?
I would have called for a 10-13 on the trooper...
# posted by : June 13, 2009 8:01 AM
: June 13, 2009 8:01 AM
You can tell from the video that the trooper had a very fast closure rate, approximately 7 seconds from the time you see the ambulance, this tells me he was traveling pretty fast. Anyone that drives emergency vehicle is well aware that you can and do outrun your siren which is obvious here. It is also very obvious that the driver just did not see him at first and I think we can all reconize this as it happens all the time especially if you drive in a populated area. This was a very simple case of not realising someone was behind them right away and neither the trooper or the ambulance crew should have escalted this to the level that it got to.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 8:34 AM
: June 13, 2009 8:34 AM
OMG this guy is a psycho. Esp the "deplete his oxygen supply" comment in his report! Too bad that dash cam doesn't show vehicle speed, because he was flying! He almost missed the "emergency call" he was responding to!
# posted by : June 13, 2009 9:12 AM
: June 13, 2009 9:12 AM
And there you have it......OHP car traveling at a high rate of speed for a BS call that he never got out of the car on. If this type of "disrespect" sets him off, please never leave the state of Oklahoma. Come to DC once or any other populated area and that occurs numerous times enroute to virtually every call!
Please do the public a favor and give this gentleman another job that doesn't involve the public. He is obviously a ticking time bomb.
Please do the public a favor and give this gentleman another job that doesn't involve the public. He is obviously a ticking time bomb.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 9:20 AM
: June 13, 2009 9:20 AM
No one has yet asked the question of why a stolen car is considered such an emergency that he had to respond code 3(and not even as primary officer) AND at a high rate of speed! This shows a complete lack of good judgement on the troopers part. Remember the FFs saying? "Risk little to save little, risk alot to save alot". Well he put every other motorists safety at risk running lights and siren at high speed for a stolen car report....did he even get out of the car at the scene? Looks like he simply turned around and went after the ambulance.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 9:23 AM
: June 13, 2009 9:23 AM
The Trooper was driving at a reckless speed on a two-lane highway. When one considers the feet per second the trooper was traveling, the trooper approached the rear of the ambulance too fast, not allowing the ambulance driver time to even react. Then the trooper maneuvred a few feet off the rear of the ambulance, in the ambulance blind spot, which happened to be hauling a patient. The ambulance DID start to yield when the trooper passed on the left. The trooper was so close to the rear of the ambulance when he went in the opposing traffic lane, that he did not adequately have a view of the oncoming traffic. The entire approach, overtake, and pass was a display of gross negligence emergency driving that warrants disciplinary action.
The trooper pursued the ambulance with the intent to create a confrontation or a show of force; however, he did not have the law supporting his intent to do so. The ambulance did nothing wrong.
The paramedic was 100% professional. The trooper was unprofessional. Law enforcement officers are trained to seek to understand first, then take action. This trooper did not follow that approach. The trooper pursued the confrontation after being professionally informed that the ambulance was transporting a patient, which triggers a duty of care right-of-way to which the trooper should have yielded.
The choke hold was an assault. The whole incident was false imprisonment. The paramedic has a good tort case. The OHP should terminate the trooper.
The trooper pursued the ambulance with the intent to create a confrontation or a show of force; however, he did not have the law supporting his intent to do so. The ambulance did nothing wrong.
The paramedic was 100% professional. The trooper was unprofessional. Law enforcement officers are trained to seek to understand first, then take action. This trooper did not follow that approach. The trooper pursued the confrontation after being professionally informed that the ambulance was transporting a patient, which triggers a duty of care right-of-way to which the trooper should have yielded.
The choke hold was an assault. The whole incident was false imprisonment. The paramedic has a good tort case. The OHP should terminate the trooper.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 9:31 AM
: June 13, 2009 9:31 AM
TO Protect and Serve if this is how our tax dollars are spent i think we need a refund and maybe think twice the next time we vote and then hand out payed vacations to loose cannons like this guy showing off with his wife in the car. does are tax dollars pay for the insurance if his wife was to be hurt in his (running hott) high speed to no where then to see his total disregard for the red truck in the video way to put a black eye on the fine calm cool and collected troopers that put there life on the line every shift
Mr Martin i hope your family is proud
Mr Martin i hope your family is proud
# posted by : June 13, 2009 9:35 AM
: June 13, 2009 9:35 AM
I think the only surprise here is the very limited amount of time the patrol car was actually behind the rig. Martin ran up fast with LAS (which the EMT's didn't notice) and was around them in a second or two.
The camera clearly shows that Trooper Martin couldn't control his temper and was not listening to the EMT's. All else that follows is because of the lack of judgment on the stop and the tunnel vision on giving a ticket and establishing his authority.
The camera clearly shows that Trooper Martin couldn't control his temper and was not listening to the EMT's. All else that follows is because of the lack of judgment on the stop and the tunnel vision on giving a ticket and establishing his authority.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 9:40 AM
: June 13, 2009 9:40 AM
I'm curious why the copper was scramin like a banshee at everybody, threatening everyone etc, but when he had to tuck his frank & beans between his legs to call for backup--he started using his calm cool "radio voice". He obviously has the ability to control his emotions, he just didn't when he screamed at the inferior EMS people, because a s we all know EMS and Fire are just WHAckers (at least in a cop mindset we are)
May I finish by saying OOOOOHHH RRRAAAHHH, HHHHEEEEEE RRRRAAAHHH.
Time for all cops to go watch "Full Metal Jacket" one more time and remember, the drill sargeant routine belongs in boot camp or in the movies, NOT in the public.
Now go get that frontal lobotomy you were scheduled for at your police acadamy.
May I finish by saying OOOOOHHH RRRAAAHHH, HHHHEEEEEE RRRRAAAHHH.
Time for all cops to go watch "Full Metal Jacket" one more time and remember, the drill sargeant routine belongs in boot camp or in the movies, NOT in the public.
Now go get that frontal lobotomy you were scheduled for at your police acadamy.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 10:25 AM
: June 13, 2009 10:25 AM
-The trooper clearly has major anger management issues.
-The trooper clearly lacks any ability to apply common sense during the discharge of his duties.
-The trooper seems to believe that when his car approaches a vehicle, the driver of that vehicle can / will immediately perceive his presence and yield without being allowed to find a safe location to do so. The ambulance was actually forced to swerve slightly left before pulling out of the way of the trooper due to a stopped car on the shoulder which was partially blocking the lane.
- Electronic sirens are very hard to perceive from inside a moving vehicle with the windows closed,radios on,etc. until they are VERY close by. Knowledgeable emergency vehicle operators understand this and don't "out drive" their warning devices.
-This trooper should be permanently relieved of his duties, never to wear a badge or carry a firearm again. He is dangerous.
-Psychological assistance is also probably a good idea for this trooper.
- As a career firefighter for 21 years, as well as a volunteer fire chief for many years, I have been witness to many unwarranted problems with angry, power crazed police officers at the scene of life threatening emergencies. Far too many in law enforcement can't control their feelings of power. It's not as the media like to phrase it, "a battle of the badges" but a battle where firefighters and EMT's are placed in a position of having to risk arrest in order to perform their sworn duty of protecting lives and property.
My hat is off to the Medic who risked his neck dealing with an out of control cop on behalf of his patient and his partner. What he did was heroic.
I would also recommend that the member of OHP who refused to make the dash cam tape available be fired for interfering with the investigation. It's time for the good old boys network in the PD to cease.
-The trooper clearly lacks any ability to apply common sense during the discharge of his duties.
-The trooper seems to believe that when his car approaches a vehicle, the driver of that vehicle can / will immediately perceive his presence and yield without being allowed to find a safe location to do so. The ambulance was actually forced to swerve slightly left before pulling out of the way of the trooper due to a stopped car on the shoulder which was partially blocking the lane.
- Electronic sirens are very hard to perceive from inside a moving vehicle with the windows closed,radios on,etc. until they are VERY close by. Knowledgeable emergency vehicle operators understand this and don't "out drive" their warning devices.
-This trooper should be permanently relieved of his duties, never to wear a badge or carry a firearm again. He is dangerous.
-Psychological assistance is also probably a good idea for this trooper.
- As a career firefighter for 21 years, as well as a volunteer fire chief for many years, I have been witness to many unwarranted problems with angry, power crazed police officers at the scene of life threatening emergencies. Far too many in law enforcement can't control their feelings of power. It's not as the media like to phrase it, "a battle of the badges" but a battle where firefighters and EMT's are placed in a position of having to risk arrest in order to perform their sworn duty of protecting lives and property.
My hat is off to the Medic who risked his neck dealing with an out of control cop on behalf of his patient and his partner. What he did was heroic.
I would also recommend that the member of OHP who refused to make the dash cam tape available be fired for interfering with the investigation. It's time for the good old boys network in the PD to cease.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 11:02 AM
: June 13, 2009 11:02 AM
What a real Asshole Cop!!! Mr. Billy Bad ass . This cop should be FIRED !!! Period!! No need to show off and act like something speacial.. We are in this ALL to do a job and so what the Ambulance didn't pull off right away. The Mr. Billy bad ass showed up on his call and wasn't even needed..
# posted by : June 13, 2009 11:35 AM
: June 13, 2009 11:35 AM
Outran his siren ROFL!
You want us to believe the trooper was doing 768 MPH. Give me a break, the guy is a grade A A-hole.
You want us to believe the trooper was doing 768 MPH. Give me a break, the guy is a grade A A-hole.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 11:53 AM
: June 13, 2009 11:53 AM
When will the public learn that excessive police staffing and police powers do not make the public safer?
Highway patrols largely exist to generate speeding ticket revenue, not to improve public safety.
Staffing is needed for regular patrols - but this could be done by a $20/h security guard, not a FOP-protected, $40/h police officer.
Crimes need to be investigated by competent, intelligent, well-educated detectives. Not these Napoleonesque jack-booted thugs on powertrips.
Police budgets need to be slashed, and the jobs of the police department need to be divested to contracted private security agencies, and *professional* public investigative LE agencies.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Protect and exercise your RKBA.
Highway patrols largely exist to generate speeding ticket revenue, not to improve public safety.
Staffing is needed for regular patrols - but this could be done by a $20/h security guard, not a FOP-protected, $40/h police officer.
Crimes need to be investigated by competent, intelligent, well-educated detectives. Not these Napoleonesque jack-booted thugs on powertrips.
Police budgets need to be slashed, and the jobs of the police department need to be divested to contracted private security agencies, and *professional* public investigative LE agencies.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Protect and exercise your RKBA.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 12:41 PM
: June 13, 2009 12:41 PM
Trooper going Mach 1 to an "emergency" call still has time to switch his radio over to the ambulance frequency and make a sarcastic comment to the EMT driving the rig. I want to commend the paramedic in the back of the ambulance for being a patient advocate and trying to ask the trooper to take up the issue with his driver at the hospital. The behavior of this trooper is disgusting. I can not think of ANY reason why this guy shouldn't be fired for his actions. Just because the ambulance wasn't "going code" to the hospital doesn't mean the patient isn't sick. Many EMS agencies run with no lights for patient safety and comfort. Many studies have shown that lights and sirens transport saves little (if any) time in transit to the hospital. This State Trooper is a flaming A**hole and his actions are nothing short of disgraceful to the profession and to his agency. FIRE HIM!!!
# posted by : June 13, 2009 12:52 PM
: June 13, 2009 12:52 PM
This cop is a grade A douchebag, and he better pray that he never gets shot or in a serious accident, because Morphine is always an optional drug for pain control, not manditory, and a Q.A. officer won't hem you up on that
Well, as anyone can see the ambulance was on a two lane road with a very rough narrow shoulder. And the officer was on his bumper and around him before he even had a chance to react. I for one (being an ambulance worker) would not have stopped for him. If I have a pt on my truck they are my #1 priority. I would either talk to the officer on the radio and advise him/her of my destination and that we can deal with it there but i would not stop with the pt. And just cause we are not running with "lights & sirens" doesn't mean they are not an emergency. If pt is having heart problems for example, and they are stable we sometimes choose not to run lights and sirens to keep from upsetting the pt any further. They can still be in a life and death situation. With this in mind there is no way I would stop "with a pt on board". The officer was very rude and cussing at the crew. He should have called the unit or the dispatch for the ambulance and dealt with it after the pt was taken care of. I can't believe that the office was so worried about pulling over an ambulance that was transporting a pt that he had to show his ass like that. What would he do if he was the pt on the ambulance and one of his colleagues pulled them over????????
Well, as anyone can see the ambulance was on a two lane road with a very rough narrow shoulder. And the officer was on his bumper and around him before he even had a chance to react. I for one (being an ambulance worker) would not have stopped for him. If I have a pt on my truck they are my #1 priority. I would either talk to the officer on the radio and advise him/her of my destination and that we can deal with it there but i would not stop with the pt. And just cause we are not running with "lights & sirens" doesn't mean they are not an emergency. If pt is having heart problems for example, and they are stable we sometimes choose not to run lights and sirens to keep from upsetting the pt any further. They can still be in a life and death situation. With this in mind there is no way I would stop "with a pt on board". The officer was very rude and cussing at the crew. He should have called the unit or the dispatch for the ambulance and dealt with it after the pt was taken care of. I can't believe that the office was so worried about pulling over an ambulance that was transporting a pt that he had to show his ass like that. What would he do if he was the pt on the ambulance and one of his colleagues pulled them over????????
I think that trooper should be looking for work. What a mess and he should know better especially on cam and with a Mic.
In answer to the buffoon who stated:
"Outran his siren ROFL!
You want us to believe the trooper was doing 768 MPH. Give me a break, the guy is a grade A A-hole.
June 13, 2009 11:53 AM
Was referring to this post:
Electronic sirens are very hard to perceive from inside a moving vehicle with the windows closed,radios on,etc. until they are VERY close by. Knowledgeable emergency vehicle operators understand this and don't "out drive" their warning devices.
Clearly, I was not insinuating that the trooper can drive faster than the speed of sound, but rather he was driving to fast for the driver ahead of him to have adequate time to perceive the approach of the cruiser and to safely yield to the trooper.
My statement regarding the ability to hear an approaching electronic sirens inside a vehicle with the windows closed and normally expected noise levels within is accurate and correct.
"Outran his siren ROFL!
You want us to believe the trooper was doing 768 MPH. Give me a break, the guy is a grade A A-hole.
June 13, 2009 11:53 AM
Was referring to this post:
Electronic sirens are very hard to perceive from inside a moving vehicle with the windows closed,radios on,etc. until they are VERY close by. Knowledgeable emergency vehicle operators understand this and don't "out drive" their warning devices.
Clearly, I was not insinuating that the trooper can drive faster than the speed of sound, but rather he was driving to fast for the driver ahead of him to have adequate time to perceive the approach of the cruiser and to safely yield to the trooper.
My statement regarding the ability to hear an approaching electronic sirens inside a vehicle with the windows closed and normally expected noise levels within is accurate and correct.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 2:59 PM
: June 13, 2009 2:59 PM
man everyones beating up the cop, but both sides are wrong. Whats that called when you leave a PT. in the back of a ambo?? abandonment. the paramedic should of stayed in the back. Also like it or not i dont care who you are if a cop says you are under arrest and trys to handcuff you, well you dont go trying to fight him away. thats what your day in court is for. Let your department fight for you.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 3:52 PM
: June 13, 2009 3:52 PM
I am a huge fan of law enforcement unlike many on this thread, most of whom have probably been in trouble with the law at one time or another, however, there are some cops that are complete power mongering douche bags, and this cop is one of them! He wanted to prove his position of authority over the EMT. This was a full on cock fight nothing more. The EMT didn't assault the cop, the cop was abusing his power plain and simple. Cops like this are fortunately a minority in law enforcement. Don't judge the entire institution based on those of a few!
# posted by : June 13, 2009 4:10 PM
: June 13, 2009 4:10 PM
Just think , heaven forbid another incident occurs wether justified with this cop. This is a major future lawsuit in the making. It seems this individual is one of a few who should not represent legitimate Law Enforcement. Is it policy in OKLAHOMA try drive around in your patrol car with your wife. If not this should be addressed.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 5:18 PM
: June 13, 2009 5:18 PM
These cops and their department need to be sued, fined, jailed, fired, and make a public apology for their asininity! They are supposed to 'protect and to serve'! We don't need 'StormTroopers'! We need a 'Cooperative Community Emergency Response Force'! Teach these jerks a lesson, and make an example out of them so this never happens again!
# posted by : June 13, 2009 7:58 PM
: June 13, 2009 7:58 PM
Unfortunately, the "unit manager" Mr White of the ambulance didn't have the sense to turn on lights or siren which I'm sure is proper procedure if it is INDEED an emergency. If not, they should have got the hell out of the way. He had no reason to keep interfering and as the trooper said they would have been out of there in not time but White had to mouth off and exert his "authority". THEN you also see the racial part going on because all of a sudden several black people are wandering around the scene looking as though they're going to get involved--and it wasn't just relatives, it was random individuals. As far as the police being on a "power trip", have some respect and maybe you wouldn't have a problem! Heaven knows the justice system is a joke and I'm sure the law enforcement feels the futility of that at times.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 8:01 PM
: June 13, 2009 8:01 PM
It's funny how those the whine the loudest about highway patrol being just for "revenue" and police not really protecting the public are the ones that are probably breaking the law and mad because there ARE laws. Boo-hoo, the trooper pulled me over because I was speeding. Why were you speeding??? You know the law. Then you want to mouth off and say the cop's on a power trip because you broke the law. If the police weren't around, then vigilantism would be...and that can be much uglier.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 8:07 PM
: June 13, 2009 8:07 PM
The only thing the Ambulance crew did wrong was pull over. If I were a member of the patients family, I would drop a lawsuit on everyone...just for the hell of it.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 9:44 PM
: June 13, 2009 9:44 PM
Sure are a lot of "know-it-alls" out there that think you need lights and sirens on when transporting a patient in and "emergency". Funny thing is, most experienced providers know that some patient's conditions can be exacerbated by the stress of sirens.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 9:47 PM
: June 13, 2009 9:47 PM
Incredible & Incredulous!!! There's no other words to describe this. Thanks to the OHP that in the interest of transparency, they did the right thing by releasing the video. Sadly, like many other emergency service organizations, they didn't and still don't see the bigger picture; (1) the perception of public safety personnel and agencies by the public-at-large (no...that's not important!!! DUH!!!) and (2) ticked-off, juiced-up, hot-headed law enforcement officers who go-off thermonuclear at the drop of a needle. Adrenaline-rush? Excited? Pissed-off? TAKE A DEEP BREATH. Does the video show how many other vehicles didn't pull off the road? Did the storm-trooper (uh, troooper) bother to go harrass them? Nope. If the report is true that Trooper Martin's wife was in the vehicle with him at the time of the incident, then that speaks volumes for the antiquated policies of the OHP. No agency director or commander should condone this type of operation. To allow a non-law enforcement person to be riding in the vehicle is both reckless and irresponsible. Finally, the behavior of the trooper was uncalled for. There may be guilt to go around, but there is a time and a place for everything. Emotional tirades will get you nowhere and now, the OHP is in an unenviable position of defending itself when it should have been handled in a civil manner. If charges were warranted, fine; but now it should be Martin who gets the charges.
# posted by : June 13, 2009 11:06 PM
: June 13, 2009 11:06 PM
The trooper was obviously not using his brain. First He was responding to a stolen car call,There was no need to drive that fast. If he was actually in such a hurry he would not have waited so long for the accident. Second,trying to arrest the driver while he is trying to get a patient to the hospitale is just plain dumb. The trooper needs to be fired.
As being in EMS for several years now, I can say that the ambulance crew appeared to act in the best interests of the patient. They pulled over as soon as they felt safe to do so (which is the law when pulling over for lights). The trooper definitely stepped over the line when he approached the ambulance and continued to argue after it was known that there was a patient on board. His actions were totally unprofessional and uncalled for. If the trooper felt the alleged infraction was worth issuing a citation, that should have been pursued at the hospital after the patient was unloaded. This just gives Joe Public that much more of a reason to undermine the public safety sector of government, once again. I am ashamed of what I have seen and glad that I don't live or work in Oklahoma.
# posted by : June 14, 2009 1:49 AM
: June 14, 2009 1:49 AM
Where are the reports from the second officer on the scene? I notice there has been no mention or interviews from him. Or maybe he is just smart and staying away from this incident.
# posted by : June 14, 2009 8:11 AM
: June 14, 2009 8:11 AM
I have been in EMS for many years, and have worked closely with several law enforcement agencies in that time. To see a Trooper pull over an ambulance, and when told there is a patient on board, not allow that ambulance to proceed is unacceptable. He may have had a good reason to stop them, but he also had the option to follow them to the hospital and deal with it there, not delaying treatment of the lady inside.
In this case, it appears that the delay did not cause any issues for her, but this Trooper should be ashamed of himself.
At least in the state I work in, our law enforcement works with us, and understands they shouldn't delay care.
In this case, it appears that the delay did not cause any issues for her, but this Trooper should be ashamed of himself.
At least in the state I work in, our law enforcement works with us, and understands they shouldn't delay care.
No question this trooper has no business with a gun and badge. Unfortunately he is not alone. Anyone that carries the authority to exercise deadly force should be required to undergo annual psychological profiling. Many places do it upon entry but years of stress can change a person's profile to a dangerous level.
If I were the Governor of OK, with the international embarrassment brought upon the State and all the other contributing factors (wife in the car, responding hot to a low priority matter, etc.)that the OHP say are not in violation of policies, I would be questioning the Chief of the OHP as to how his policies benefit and/or protect the citizens and visitors of OK and if he is really competent to head that bureau.
If I were the Governor of OK, with the international embarrassment brought upon the State and all the other contributing factors (wife in the car, responding hot to a low priority matter, etc.)that the OHP say are not in violation of policies, I would be questioning the Chief of the OHP as to how his policies benefit and/or protect the citizens and visitors of OK and if he is really competent to head that bureau.
# posted by : June 14, 2009 12:49 PM
: June 14, 2009 12:49 PM
As a 15 year Paramedic/Firefighter, I am at a total loss of words to describe how this incident made me feel. Definitely sick to my stomach for one. I have worked closely with local Police, County Sheriffs, State Highway Patrol, and just about every other law enforcement officer imaginable, and have many close friends and family who are LOE. I am just awestruck by the total lack of professionalism shown by the OHP officer. I agree there were mistakes made by both the OHP officer and EMS, but the vast majority lies on the OHP officer.
I can't help but wonder how this will effect the working relationship between the two agencies? Will law enforcement "slow roll" if EMS call for backup or vice-versa should a LEO require emergency medical care? I hope and pray they would act PROFESSIONALLY and respond quickly without ego getting in the way should such a situation occur.
This was truly a very sad situation that will take a long, long time for OHP to recover face from. I believe Trooper Martin has deeper issues that need to be resolved before he is allowed back out on the streets to interact with the public or his fellow public servants.
I can't help but wonder how this will effect the working relationship between the two agencies? Will law enforcement "slow roll" if EMS call for backup or vice-versa should a LEO require emergency medical care? I hope and pray they would act PROFESSIONALLY and respond quickly without ego getting in the way should such a situation occur.
This was truly a very sad situation that will take a long, long time for OHP to recover face from. I believe Trooper Martin has deeper issues that need to be resolved before he is allowed back out on the streets to interact with the public or his fellow public servants.
i was in law enforcement before crossing over from the dark side into the fire service. From what i could see, the OHP officer was clearly in the wrong. However, if the paramedic was as conserned for patient care as he would lead you to believe, why did he leave the patient unattened at least 3 times. The state i work in and the fire/ambo i work for would both view the paramedics actions as gross negligence. As stated before, the trooper should be fired. No question. The paramedic should at the very least face an inquiry from his licensing agency for what can very easily be viewed as negligence on his part.
# posted by : June 14, 2009 3:51 PM
: June 14, 2009 3:51 PM
This officer broke the law the very second he turned on his lights and siren because there was a civilian person (regardless who they are) in his patrol car. In fact I don't believe he should've accepted the call in the first place simply because he was transporting a civilian. With that said, charges should be brought upon this officer for wreckless endangerment of said civilian by operating of speeds in excess of 100-MPH. Not only did this officer almost hit an ambulance, when he suddenly pulled away from the "stolen car" scene to pursue the ambulance, he nearly caused a wreck with another car that was already in that intersection. So there you have it, unprofessionalism, wreckless driving, wreckless endangerment, and inciting an incident. If this were anyone else, that person would be in jail. The ambulance crew did nothing wrong.
# posted by : June 14, 2009 7:12 PM
: June 14, 2009 7:12 PM
It looks to me as if Trooper Martin exited his vehicle with the specific intent to dress someone down for what he saw as a personal insult. As a trooper, that isn't his job. It looks to me as if his actions from the very start were clearly of a personal nature instead of professional. Frankly, he appeared to be pissed off, and wound up to pick a fight at the slightest provocation. By exiting the vehicle and challenging his authority, the medic in the back gave him the opportunity, and he took it. He immediately reacted in anger and escalated this situation when his responsibility was to diffuse it. From viewing the tape, it is clear that there was no real assault on the officer that would warrant his violent reaction. I believe he fabricated the assault accusation as an excuse for his actions after the fact. He has anger issues and a short fuse....a combination that has no place in law enforcement. There should be a zero tolerance for anyone who acts in this manner.
# posted by : June 14, 2009 7:52 PM
: June 14, 2009 7:52 PM
My God, the Trooper(sic) is a TOTAL Richard Cranium...
Where are ALL the folks that Bitched about the Officer in the Dallas area being wrong?
This guy NEEDS to go away!!! OFF the Force... NO call for his actions.
Where are ALL the folks that Bitched about the Officer in the Dallas area being wrong?
This guy NEEDS to go away!!! OFF the Force... NO call for his actions.
# posted by : June 14, 2009 11:59 PM
: June 14, 2009 11:59 PM
If I were just reading about stuff like this happening on the internet in distant places it would be one thing, but I'm hearing from distant relatives that they've been tazed for sleeping in a car and not jumping when an officer said for them to get out, and total strangers standing in line in front of me saying "Those SOBS tazed me twice after the handcuffs were on me while I was face down, and again for pissing my pants. After they DROPPED THE CHARGES I tried to get ahold of the dashboard cam but they said it malfunctioned so there was nothing I could do"....my question is just how pervasive is this really?
# posted by : June 15, 2009 1:07 AM
: June 15, 2009 1:07 AM
"withholding care of a patient", try starting an argument in the middle of an emergency in the hospital some could go to jail for that crap, very careless.
# posted by : June 15, 2009 2:14 AM
: June 15, 2009 2:14 AM
Being a former LEO in Oklahoma, every officer is trained that, yes you can "outrun" the siren. Sirens, under optimum conditions can be heard from long distances. In "real world" conditions many things decrease what and when you hear and recognize a siren, vehicle noise, wind direction, terrain, drivers hearing, drivers attention or perseption, just to name a few. The officers speed in this case, placed him behind the ambulance so fast the EMT had little time to react. Notice the vehicle in front of the ambulance pulled over causing the ambulance to veer slightly to the left to miss it. You can't whip an ambulance off the road ASAP, it doesn't work that way. NOW, with this all said, my opinion, the State Trooper literally "BLEW IT", I'm siding with the EMTs on this one guys. This said, I must state that the vast majority of OHP officers are compentent, courteous, and very professional. I would prefer to be stopped by OHP over any other state or city I can think of. In this case, the problem is a young Trooper with an overdose of what we call the "John Wayne" syndrome (with appologies to Mr. Wayne) and I'd hate to see him fired considering the cost of his training. For punnishment I'd suggest he be placed in the Academy as an instructor on reduced pay, teaching the "Public Relations" course. He will show this film, and admit his involvement, as part of the section on how "not to do it", for,,, oh let's say about 12 to 18 months. That should do it. If he can do this he just might make a good Trooper. Thank You.
# posted by : June 15, 2009 7:48 AM
: June 15, 2009 7:48 AM
Amazing, this so called "cop"and I use that very loosely, was responding"hot", came up on the ambulance, which was not responding and it failed to pull over for this "cop" going to a "real emergency". It most have been a "big emergency" , because the "cop" stayed less then 20 seconds on the scene. If you look at the video, there was car that pulled over right in front of the ambo, leaving the ambo not much time to pull over safely. Now getting back to the "cop", hopefully he can get punished civially, because the DA appears balless and you know the good "ol" boys will protect their"lil man". That "cop" committed assault and battery if I ever seen it,period. If the OHP and DA don't fix it NOW, it will only get worse over time.It is time the taxpayers get something better then that so called "cop".
# posted by : June 15, 2009 9:28 AM
: June 15, 2009 9:28 AM
Did anyone else notice that the cop cut off the ambulance as he went around? That's probably the reason for the "hand gesture" which I'm sure was just the driver raising his hands like "WTF?"
# posted by : June 15, 2009 10:36 AM
: June 15, 2009 10:36 AM
The trooper is a disgrace to his uniform and does not deserve to be on the street representing the Oklahoma Highway Patrol.
# posted by : June 15, 2009 3:14 PM
: June 15, 2009 3:14 PM
Trooper Martin is a coward and has no respect for human life as he stops an ambulance en route to the hospital. UNBELIEVABLE! This makes me so angry to know that he wasn't immediately removed from the Highway Patrol or even sent to jail himself.
# posted by : June 15, 2009 3:41 PM
: June 15, 2009 3:41 PM
Looking forward to the troopers press conference and hope he gets help. Will his wife be answering questions too? She was in the car.
Until then, keep up the pressure on the OK governor to not "whitewash" this incident.
Continue to support Georgia Paramedic Hayden Barnes's BOYCOTT of QuikTrips, ConocoPhillips, and Alamo and National Car Rental companies for us out of towners while we are
NOT driving through Oklahoma watching out for OHP and their wives running ambulances off the road on the way to stolen car reports and returning to illegally assault EMT.
Until then, keep up the pressure on the OK governor to not "whitewash" this incident.
Continue to support Georgia Paramedic Hayden Barnes's BOYCOTT of QuikTrips, ConocoPhillips, and Alamo and National Car Rental companies for us out of towners while we are
NOT driving through Oklahoma watching out for OHP and their wives running ambulances off the road on the way to stolen car reports and returning to illegally assault EMT.
# posted by : June 15, 2009 3:44 PM
: June 15, 2009 3:44 PM
Sometimes things aren't always what they seem...
Trooper Martin recently back from a tour of duty in the military.
PTSD sound familiar to anyone?
Anger issues, maybe...
Unresolved issues related to his military experience, probably...
Let's hope that a little digging and level heads prevail to get to the true problem and find a workable solution.
You don't have to hang out at the local VFW or the American Legion Hall, but my guess is you might find more than a couple veterans (myself included) nodding their heads with an understanding of how this might just go deeper than we first thought.
Trooper Martin recently back from a tour of duty in the military.
PTSD sound familiar to anyone?
Anger issues, maybe...
Unresolved issues related to his military experience, probably...
Let's hope that a little digging and level heads prevail to get to the true problem and find a workable solution.
You don't have to hang out at the local VFW or the American Legion Hall, but my guess is you might find more than a couple veterans (myself included) nodding their heads with an understanding of how this might just go deeper than we first thought.
# posted by : June 15, 2009 3:48 PM
: June 15, 2009 3:48 PM
If you watch the dash cam video, notice that when the Trooper arrives that the scene of the call, at 1:32, you hear the door of the patrol car open and then close, followed by a woman saying "Hey babe"
It appear from this that the big emergency was the trooper picking his wife up from work.
It appear from this that the big emergency was the trooper picking his wife up from work.
I know Maurice White and he is a good man and a outstanding EMT, he has helped many people and cares. this should never happen in our country and certainly not to Maurice he is a God fearing man and a outstanding citizen and would give his life for any of you, if you knew him like i knew him you would do anything you could to help him to, he has helped me and my family before without hesitation, he deserves better than this OHP to try and strangle him and no one to help him like that, shame on this cop and shame on the OHP for turning there back on him, what if it was your mother in that ambulance what could you do with policeman on the road like this.I will pray for you Maurice and please don't let this change you and God bless you Maurice White, Your Friend Steve.
To the former LEO from OK, you have probably the most sensible and just read on the issue with the Trooper. I really like the idea of him as an instructor at the academy, we in the Corps would consider this just and right. I do feel there is a very real case to be made for PTSD, but that does not excuse his actions it just gives his agency something to look for and try to help with. Had this Trooper been following protocol this would never have happened because he wouldn't have been responding to any call with his wife in the car with him. The medic should have stayed with his pt, but also the EMT should not have stopped with a pt on board. It wouldn't be the first time a LEO has followed an ambulance to the hospital to speak to the driver!
# posted by : June 15, 2009 5:47 PM
: June 15, 2009 5:47 PM
I like the guy who says its a result of "short man syndrome" on the part of the cop. Seriously? You've never seen a tall cop with an attitude problem before? I have yet to meet a reasonable, sensitive, compassionate cop- regardless of height.
# posted by : June 15, 2009 6:43 PM
: June 15, 2009 6:43 PM
I think the officer got out of his vehicle with an attitude and started the confrontation. The medical personal at first, tried to explain to him that they were on the way to a hospital with a patient and the officer didn't even care that his actions could cost the life of the patient. If she had died because of his juvenile behavior he could be prosecuted for having caused her death.
And the officer was the first to lay hands on the medical personel and excalate the situation rather than listen. He needed to keep his big mouth shut and the situation could have been resolved faster. He should have let the ambulance continue to the hospital and then discussed what had happened.
And his driving appeared to be dangerous.
And the officer was the first to lay hands on the medical personel and excalate the situation rather than listen. He needed to keep his big mouth shut and the situation could have been resolved faster. He should have let the ambulance continue to the hospital and then discussed what had happened.
And his driving appeared to be dangerous.
The sad thing is that both the driver and the emt stated that they were transporting a patient and the trooper totally disregarded that person health for a possible traffic voilation of a medical vehicle. it seems very common sense to me once he heard they had a patient, fine I'll follow you to the hospital. I think a full psychological testing is required here, something not right with someone that mad, that fast, with want appears disconnect with who these men are but medical professional. Aren't they like on the same team.
# posted by : June 15, 2009 9:14 PM
: June 15, 2009 9:14 PM
That trooper was out of line, and news to be terminated immediately.
# posted by : June 15, 2009 10:58 PM
: June 15, 2009 10:58 PM
I hope the patient didn't have to pay for that horrible ride to the hospital. I'd have sued the ambulance company for STOPPING, the state o Oklahoma for emlpoying such a nimrod, and the trooper himself for delaying my transport to the hospital and stressing me out at the same time. A few questions remain even still: 1) If this so-called trooper was so upset about how unsafe it is for the ambulance to not yeild (which you can see he was starting to do as the police car nearly crammed itself into the patient's lap) then why was he risking his beloved wife's life by driving at such a high rate of speed with her in the car? 2) Is it customary to fling warnings or insults over the air waves? 3) Since when is it OK for a police officer or trooper to start cursing at ANYONE??? If I did that in any line of job, I'd have been fired. Both of my parents are cops. My step-dad is a sergeant for patrol, and there's NO WAY he'd have ever done any of the things that trooper did. Complete moron. Honestly... and so are the folks who defend that trooper. That ambulance driver stepping out like he did was entirely within his rights. If I felt a police officer was acting bizarre and ignoring the oath that ALL public servants take to ensure the well-being of the citizens of this country, hell yes I'd step out of my vehicle to intervene. I'd also have called for back up and called 911 to dispatch a unit of my own to the ordeal. Or, I might have hopped in the drivers seat and taken the ambulance to the hospital myself. If all that trooper wanted was to "talk" to the driver, then proceeding with the trip to the hospital without the driver shouldn't be a problem AT ALL. Somehow I think there would have been an issue in that though. Oh, and since when is it against the law to "gesture" someone? Sounds like he's got some serious growing up to do. I bet he cried because his drill sergeant called him something not-so-nice and "gestured" him a few times while in the military. Big baby. This entire thing is just astonishing, but clearly shows which direction our country is headed with a police state of "do as I say and not as I do". So sad, and yet not surprising at all any more. It will only get worse folks. It will only get worse.
Abuse of power...or post traumatic stress syndrome. How many more "nice" family men might return from Iraq with inner rage & turn it on our own citizens??? Pitiful.
# posted by : June 16, 2009 12:58 AM
: June 16, 2009 12:58 AM
I have had first hand experience with this type of a-hole cop on a power trip. There are entirely too many of them on every police force in the nation. It is time we started mandatory psychiatric reviews of ALL police officers on a regular basis. This guy has already shown he does not deserve to wear that badge.
# posted by : June 16, 2009 1:49 AM
: June 16, 2009 1:49 AM
That officer is going to get someone killed maybe even his self and/or sued to poverty. If that officer is allowed to remain active, sooner or later someone is going to get a early retirement check out of the state of OK! WTF is the world comimg to? I actually remember a day when you were glad to see the state police show up but guys like this are changing that mood and LEO's wonder why no one really trusts them anymore...Now you know!
# posted by : June 16, 2009 2:18 AM
: June 16, 2009 2:18 AM
"The trooper pursued the confrontation after being professionally informed that the ambulance was transporting a patient, which triggers a duty of care right-of-way to which the trooper should have yielded.
The choke hold was an assault. The whole incident was false imprisonment. The paramedic has a good tort case. The OHP should terminate the trooper."
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The choke hold was an assault. The whole incident was false imprisonment. The paramedic has a good tort case. The OHP should terminate the trooper."
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
# posted by : June 16, 2009 2:32 AM
: June 16, 2009 2:32 AM
Failure to yield. Clearly there was another vehicle pulled on the side of the road and when the ambulance passed this vehicle he did yield. When the trooper pulled the ambulance over to talk to the EMT he automatically was imparing the treatment of the patient. The Paramadics role is to care and treat the patient and if that was your family member in the back and their treatment was being impaired how would you feel. Just because an ambulance is not running emergency status does not mean everything is fine with the patient. Any patient can crash at any time in the ambulance. DOES DO REGARD FOR PUBLIC SAFETY RING A BELL WHEN ANY AGENCY RUNS EMERGENCY. When I flip the switch on the ambulance emergnecy lights the sirens better be activated as well or we automatically break the law by not having all possible warning devices on. I cant tell you how many times I have seen the police blow through fourways with just the lights and no sirens. Accident waiting to happen and the speeds they travel its not going to be pretty. Their really should be no tension between any of the agencies. I don't know about you but I've noticed that EMS is left out of a great deal of things. It always seems to be police and fire.
# posted by : June 16, 2009 9:53 AM
: June 16, 2009 9:53 AM
Wow! and I thought our New Zealand Police were bad, this, nut nut cop takes the cake,you don't have the temperament to be a POLICE OFFICER.
You need anger management.
You need anger management.
# posted by : June 16, 2009 10:49 AM
: June 16, 2009 10:49 AM
If the driver talked to the trooper, this would have been avoided. The other paramedic should have sat down and shut up. He ignored many lawful orders to do so.
And, the only people who have a problem with cops are crooks or people with criminal histories, plain and simple.
And, the only people who have a problem with cops are crooks or people with criminal histories, plain and simple.
# posted by : June 16, 2009 2:36 PM
: June 16, 2009 2:36 PM
Its standard in OK to run hot on a stolen vehicle report...? That makes absolutely no sense at all...
# posted by : June 16, 2009 7:46 PM
: June 16, 2009 7:46 PM
The EMT who came out of the back was the senior EMT in charge of the ambulance. The patient is his responsibility and he was trying to explain to the cop that they needed to get her to the hospital.
Would you have wanted him to sit quietly in the back while the cop chewed out his driver for 20 minutes?
The EMT even OFFERED TO ALLOW HIMSELF TO BE TICKETED/ARRESTED WHEN THEY GOT TO THE HOSPITAL!
Would you have wanted him to sit quietly in the back while the cop chewed out his driver for 20 minutes?
The EMT even OFFERED TO ALLOW HIMSELF TO BE TICKETED/ARRESTED WHEN THEY GOT TO THE HOSPITAL!
# posted by : June 16, 2009 9:58 PM
: June 16, 2009 9:58 PM
To Anonymous: Your entire blog is a lie. The cop had absolutely NO right to talk to the driver. The driver is an innocent law-abiding citizen. There were NOT mistakes on both sides. The EMT did NOT cop an attitude. The trooper is NOT to be commended for any reason. You would really commend this trooper for educating someone on how to yield?
Oh yes, if only ego hadn't got in the way, the dumb ambulance driver could be educated on how to yield. Maybe choking him more would help.
If only they would just let the poor trooper talk to the ambulance driver the whole thing wouldn't have happened. They just didn't give him a chance.
If only everyone would just sit down and talk and then forget the whole thing. How can you say that this blemishes "ALL" first responders? Is that really your take on this? It blemishes all first responders?
You wouldn't think so if you were being arrested on your way to the hospital. Anyone who defends and apologizes for the police while they take our rights away DESERVES NO RIGHTS! The more people like you agree and go along with it, the more it will happen. It is happening because of people like you WHO ACCEPT IT. Accepting it will not cause it to go away. American citizens are considered to be terrorists and this will escalate in the future, especially with people who give in like you. Don't think they're going to deal nicely with you because you're a nice apologist for them. Just the opposite.
So the brave people everywhere who are being arrested and tasered are a victory for the American people, even you, although you don't deserve it. They are the ones to be commended. The real war is between the American people, who are considered terrorists, and those who want total control.
You don't understand that the police have been given total freedom to do whatever they want. You're being conditioned to accept martial law. "ALL of us first responders"? You can't even stand up for them. You're pathetic!
But I will stand up for them: the driver, the EMT, the patient, and the patient's family. I say "Thank you for your bravery in battling the police to get a citizen to the hospital. Also thanks for showing us just what the police think of American citizens."
Oh yes, if only ego hadn't got in the way, the dumb ambulance driver could be educated on how to yield. Maybe choking him more would help.
If only they would just let the poor trooper talk to the ambulance driver the whole thing wouldn't have happened. They just didn't give him a chance.
If only everyone would just sit down and talk and then forget the whole thing. How can you say that this blemishes "ALL" first responders? Is that really your take on this? It blemishes all first responders?
You wouldn't think so if you were being arrested on your way to the hospital. Anyone who defends and apologizes for the police while they take our rights away DESERVES NO RIGHTS! The more people like you agree and go along with it, the more it will happen. It is happening because of people like you WHO ACCEPT IT. Accepting it will not cause it to go away. American citizens are considered to be terrorists and this will escalate in the future, especially with people who give in like you. Don't think they're going to deal nicely with you because you're a nice apologist for them. Just the opposite.
So the brave people everywhere who are being arrested and tasered are a victory for the American people, even you, although you don't deserve it. They are the ones to be commended. The real war is between the American people, who are considered terrorists, and those who want total control.
You don't understand that the police have been given total freedom to do whatever they want. You're being conditioned to accept martial law. "ALL of us first responders"? You can't even stand up for them. You're pathetic!
But I will stand up for them: the driver, the EMT, the patient, and the patient's family. I say "Thank you for your bravery in battling the police to get a citizen to the hospital. Also thanks for showing us just what the police think of American citizens."
One point I think has not been made here is "Siren Kill" It is a know fact that if you drive faster that 60 mph, you kill your siren, therefore the driver ahead of you does not hear you before you are right on his tail. Also, anyone who has driven am ambulance know that these are not some cargo truck, they are delicate, and you can not make any fast move with out compromising the care of you patient, and having you medic bouncing around back. Also any fast turn off that road, could have resulted in a ambulance roll over, so I can under stand why the drive was looking for a sholder where he could move over and let the trooper pass him. Now what I do not under stand, so urgent to get to a controlled sceen, just to show face and leave for the ambulance. Also the Paramedico was in his right to step out and inform the troop of the medical transport and his supervisory roll. Another thing that no one has comented, the EMT was a rooky, if I am not wrok he has been a EMT for 6 months, we sure the Medica has to handel this situation, because the driver really does not know how to handel this. I congradulate these Paramedics, thr fought for there patient.
A little over a month ago, I was in out ALS Unit First Contact car, responding to a cardiact arrest. I am in Mexico and am the only one who has a Defibulator, in route, the police started code behind me, first thought they we following to see what happen, nosey cops, then a unmarked carruns me off the road and stops me, when I come out of the car I quickly advise them that I am responding to a arrest victim, Quickly stated that I was not a medic or fire fighter and to arrest me. Come to the point my patient died, and I was arested for 3 hours until the Judge saw me at let me free, asking why I was arrested ( the Judge knew me because I had attended family members of him) and that I was a Medic. We to get to the next part, not one apology, nothing. Two weeks later the Police officer who arrested me, was murdered but drug trafficker. This does not make me happy, but it shows that KARMA DOES WORK.
A little over a month ago, I was in out ALS Unit First Contact car, responding to a cardiact arrest. I am in Mexico and am the only one who has a Defibulator, in route, the police started code behind me, first thought they we following to see what happen, nosey cops, then a unmarked carruns me off the road and stops me, when I come out of the car I quickly advise them that I am responding to a arrest victim, Quickly stated that I was not a medic or fire fighter and to arrest me. Come to the point my patient died, and I was arested for 3 hours until the Judge saw me at let me free, asking why I was arrested ( the Judge knew me because I had attended family members of him) and that I was a Medic. We to get to the next part, not one apology, nothing. Two weeks later the Police officer who arrested me, was murdered but drug trafficker. This does not make me happy, but it shows that KARMA DOES WORK.
I've watched the dash cam and the videos numerous times and I agree with the States Attorney there were problems with the way both sides acted. The trooper contrary to his lawyers statement had an attitude when he got out of the cruiser because of the trooper's attitude the paramedic copped an attitude trying to defend his driver. the trooper who was already angry and that just made him angrier. Contrary to the lawyer and the statement from the trooper. The driver told the trooper they had a patient, The paramedic told the trooper 10 times and the family told the trooper twice and the trooper turns to one and blames the paramedic then the trooper opens the ambulance door and apologizes to the patient and tells her she will be going to the hospital in a few minutes and shuts the rear of the door then walks to the side and starts shouting at the paramedic and the famous choke hold was put on.
As a person who have been around police and medic for many years. I believe the trooper and driver exchanged gestures at the scene of the emergency as the ambulance passed it ... for thse reasons .First :when the trooper told them to watch their rear view mirror he did not sound angry or hostile.When the trooper got to the scene of the sheriff needing help. He did not talk to any sheriff to see if the sheriff was ok or needed his help and nothing was said over the radio to cancel the call for help. Third: . But something made him angry.H he spent no time there. He left there fast and took off in the same direction as the ambulance. Police always hang around and talk to other officers or hang around and make sure everything is ok. He didn't he took off after the ambulance why? What happened to change his attitude.He claims the driver gave him a gesture. But why would a driver of an ambulance give a gesture to a policeman. who said something in a nice way over the railroad. Thr driver never appeared to be a smart alleck I believe they were both right s.The trooper says the driver gestured to him and the driver said the trooper gestured to him.I believe they were both right because the trooper was so angry he left the scene of the emergency fast after the ambulance.Then I feel the medic when he got out of the ambulance knew there was going to be a confrontation and then tried to defend the driver because the trooper was extremely angry the medic copped an attitude and everything went downhill. The medic and others all told the trooper about the patient and he even talks to the patient but his anger consumed him he totally forgot about the patient until someone calmed him down enough .Basically both were wrong and both had egos and it should not have happened.So what if the driver gave the trooper a gesture was it worth the confrontation that has been seen all over the world .Was it worth it
As a person who have been around police and medic for many years. I believe the trooper and driver exchanged gestures at the scene of the emergency as the ambulance passed it ... for thse reasons .First :when the trooper told them to watch their rear view mirror he did not sound angry or hostile.When the trooper got to the scene of the sheriff needing help. He did not talk to any sheriff to see if the sheriff was ok or needed his help and nothing was said over the radio to cancel the call for help. Third: . But something made him angry.H he spent no time there. He left there fast and took off in the same direction as the ambulance. Police always hang around and talk to other officers or hang around and make sure everything is ok. He didn't he took off after the ambulance why? What happened to change his attitude.He claims the driver gave him a gesture. But why would a driver of an ambulance give a gesture to a policeman. who said something in a nice way over the railroad. Thr driver never appeared to be a smart alleck I believe they were both right s.The trooper says the driver gestured to him and the driver said the trooper gestured to him.I believe they were both right because the trooper was so angry he left the scene of the emergency fast after the ambulance.Then I feel the medic when he got out of the ambulance knew there was going to be a confrontation and then tried to defend the driver because the trooper was extremely angry the medic copped an attitude and everything went downhill. The medic and others all told the trooper about the patient and he even talks to the patient but his anger consumed him he totally forgot about the patient until someone calmed him down enough .Basically both were wrong and both had egos and it should not have happened.So what if the driver gave the trooper a gesture was it worth the confrontation that has been seen all over the world .Was it worth it
# posted by : June 17, 2009 2:05 AM
: June 17, 2009 2:05 AM
im scared to even pull the race card on thnis one, the trooper was using monotone for the white guy and when the black emt stepped out of the van, listen to how his tone and words change....state troopers are always on a power trip, but this takes the cake....QUESTION:IF HIS WIFE WAS IN THE CAR...WAS HE EVEN ON DUTY???....IF NOT WHY THE HELL WAS SHE EVEN IN THE CAR??....it shouldnt be a question that his actions were inappropriate. It should be a question of severity of punishment and penalty, becuase desk duty simple isnt enough!!!!.....i jus saw this vid for the first time...AND IM PISSED!!!
#1-The troper should know that he closed on that ambulance too fast for them to see him and move over while they appear to have been overtaking a car themselves. #2-The comment on the radio was a little smartass but acceptable, don't we all do it occassionally? #3 The Medic should NEVER have left his patient to talk to the trooper and definitely could have used a little more professionallism himself. This appears to have been a pissing match between two guys that could have easily been stopped at 3 or 4 points before it escalated to the point it did. If Mr. White was one of my Medics he would have been looking for a new job as soon as I saw the dashcam tape, same goes for the trooper. We have enough people treating Cops, Medics and Firemen disrespectfully without doing it to each other.
# posted by : June 19, 2009 2:38 AM
: June 19, 2009 2:38 AM
I watched this twice. As a police officer myself, I did not see a clear violation that would prompt this behavior. I must tell ya brother Daniel...You have some serious issues.
# posted by : June 21, 2009 11:37 PM
: June 21, 2009 11:37 PM
From some one who lives in Canada and as a Paramedic of 27 years and working closely with the City
Police. I hope this cops mentality nevers crosses the border.
He was closing in like a F 16 with after burners on. The Drivers reaction time and the poor visibility from only the side mirrors and that 10,000 lbs ambulance needing more braking distance than the car that pulled over on the shoulder left him. Yes he did pull over safely and it was mere seconds for them to do so.
( Google how many officers die in car accidents versus shootings )
Once they were then pulled over, the Officers brain was in I AM THE MAN MODE, and no way some one like him will ever turn back into a normal human, as Pavlovs Bell has rung and foods out..
I feel for everyone that got pulled into his Tornado of stupidity and COMMEND PARAMEDIC Maurice Wright for doing the RIGHT THING.
Police. I hope this cops mentality nevers crosses the border.
He was closing in like a F 16 with after burners on. The Drivers reaction time and the poor visibility from only the side mirrors and that 10,000 lbs ambulance needing more braking distance than the car that pulled over on the shoulder left him. Yes he did pull over safely and it was mere seconds for them to do so.
( Google how many officers die in car accidents versus shootings )
Once they were then pulled over, the Officers brain was in I AM THE MAN MODE, and no way some one like him will ever turn back into a normal human, as Pavlovs Bell has rung and foods out..
I feel for everyone that got pulled into his Tornado of stupidity and COMMEND PARAMEDIC Maurice Wright for doing the RIGHT THING.
I just watched the dash cam video of this incident and had a thought. Why did the officer have his siren on to a supposed emergency and he pulls up to a store to pick up someone, who has been reported to be his wife, but doesn't turn on siren or lights to pull over an EMS vehicle that is strange to me. I guess his wife was the emergency and the patient in the back of the ambulance was just someone who wasn't important to him.
# posted by : July 17, 2009 8:50 PM
: July 17, 2009 8:50 PM
This trooper was out of line. First off, he was responding to take a "stolen vehicle report" while driving code 3. This is not a life and death situation so he should not have been driving code in the first place. Second, whatever happened to "Due Regard" and "Reasonable but prudent speed"? This guy must have been doing over 100, which is not uncommon for police officers everywhere. The radio comment was unprofessional but not illegal.
# posted by : July 19, 2009 6:54 AM
: July 19, 2009 6:54 AM
Please this is all quite ridiculous. Make no mistake. If a cop tells you to get back in the vehicle, you better do it, or risk going to jail. He was asked multiple times and then resisted after being told he was under arrest. Duhhh. I think the officer was fairly restrained. I fail to see the debate. Why are people such idiots?
# posted by : August 9, 2009 1:32 AM
: August 9, 2009 1:32 AM
I am a Australian Highway Patrol officer and I have watched that video. That HWP officer needs to be either removed from duty or be given serious mental health intervention. He is going code 3 (or 1 as we know it) to a job that someone is already at and then doesnt even stay to check it out. I would hate to be the officer he is backing up. That in itself is ridiculous. His behaviour towards the Ambo is so out of line that I find it hard to believe any officer would behave like that..especially a HWP officer. I am at a loss on this one and can only express deep concern for the officers mental health. Not all cops are on a power trip..at least not over here. Its the bad actions of a few that taint us all. The citizens of OK have a right to be concerned.
# posted by : August 11, 2009 4:43 AM
: August 11, 2009 4:43 AM
Without reading all of the posts, I wonder if anyone has pointed out that the only reason the cop released the medic from the choke hold is this: Earlier this year, OK passed a law making it a FELONY for ANYONE to assult an EMS personnel. Apparently, this was something the officer did not know, as he had just returned from the war.
That trooper had better pray he would never need an ambulance for the rest of his life...Versed is a great sedative.
That trooper had better pray he would never need an ambulance for the rest of his life...Versed is a great sedative.
"Please this is all quite ridiculous. Make no mistake. If a cop tells you to get back in the vehicle, you better do it, or risk going to jail. He was asked multiple times and then resisted after being told he was under arrest. Duhhh. I think the officer was fairly restrained. I fail to see the debate. Why are people such idiots?"
STFU you moron the EMT who got out of the back was trying to tell the officer that he had a PT in the ambo wich is his responsibility wich take precident over any stupid ticket. Think of the welfare of the people and please keep your dumbass comments to yourself.
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STFU you moron the EMT who got out of the back was trying to tell the officer that he had a PT in the ambo wich is his responsibility wich take precident over any stupid ticket. Think of the welfare of the people and please keep your dumbass comments to yourself.
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