Wednesday, June 17, 2009
Career staffing removed from Prince George's County, MD firehouses with little notice. "Brownouts" to meet OT budget are a hint of what's to come.
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A little more than a decade ago there were three operating firehouses in the approximately two-mile stretch between Boulevard Heights and Capitol Heights in Prince George's County, Maryland. During the weekday, daylight hours, those stations were staffed by 12 of the approximately 800 or so career firefighters employed by the Prince George's County Fire/EMS Department.
Today, the number of career firefighters in the county is hovering around the 700 mark and the two remaining firehouses in the area (Hillside fire station at 1234 Larchmont Avenue closed after the volunteer corporation went bankrupt) are staffed with a career crew of six. Of that six, only four firefighters, and at times just two, will be available to respond aboard a fire truck. After 3:00 PM today, that career staffing is scheduled to go down to only two, and both of them are assigned exclusively to handle calls aboard a paramedic ambulance.
A spokesman for PGFD confirmed this morning that this is the new reality the department is forced to live with after overtime spending was cut by more than 75-percent. Previously the department had been paying approximately $250,000 in overtime each two-week pay period. The current budget is around $60,000.
Acting Chief Eugene Jones and his bosses in Upper Marlboro have mandated that the department live within its budget.
Major Derrick Lea said starting today, and through July 1, there will be a rotating removal of career staffing from fire stations throughout the county.
Today's shuffling of firefighters closes the fireboat operation at National Harbor and leaves the potential for firehouses in Riverdale, Bowie and Capitol Heights unable to respond to emergencies. Major Lea confirms the ability to answer emergency calls will depend on what volunteer staffing is available.
Sources confirm that many of the notifications to volunteer chiefs their station would not be staffed came as late as 11:30 PM last night. A previous overtime reduction plan provided a schedule with a long lead time to allow volunteers time to muster staffing for dates where career firefighters would not be available.
West Lanham Hills Volunteer Fire Department Chief John Alter, who is chairman of the Prince George's County Fire Commission, said Wednesday morning, "I understand the financial pressure the department is under, but would like to see them provide more notice to volunteer managers so we can arrange for coverage".
Major Lea says the department is paying close attention to staffing levels and deployment of firefighters in an effort to make sure the citizens of the county are adequately protected. He points out that neighboring fire stations will cover where staffing has been removed.
When asked about the delays this will cause in an emergency situation, where officials have long told the public every second counts, Major Lea responded that the department is "being forced to do more with less", but that "serving the citizens is still the priority".
Major Lea also confirms that a new staffing plan is about to be released for the fiscal year starting July 1. While details have not been made public, Lea says it will involve the removal of career firefighters from a number of stations around the county. Those firefighters will be moved to other stations where staffing will be beefed up.
Chief Alter said he wants to see an equitable staffing plan that does not leave large holes in coverage.
There are also potential contract issues with IAFF Local 1619 that requires minimum station staffing of four during the hour of 7:00 AM to 3:00 PM, Monday to Friday. At the moment Stations 805 (Capitol Hieghts) and 819 (Bowie) are left with just two firefighters who will be assigned only to the ambulance.
Major Lea confirmed the following moves in place for today (reported earlier on STATter911.com):
1. Fireboat 858 (National Harbor) not staffed (this has been a regular cutback in recent days).
2. All four career firefighters from Station 807 (Riverdale) removed (7:00 AM -3:00 PM).
3. Two firefighters removed from Station 805 (Capitol Heights) leaving just two to run the paramedic ambulance only.
4. Two firefighters removed from Station 819 (Bowie) with orders for the remaining two to run the ambulance only during the day.
5. Station 838 (Chapel Oaks) already had career staffing removed after 7:00 PM as part of a scheduled overtime reduction plan where volunteers would make up staffing.
6. Station 817 (Boulevard Heights) has four career firefighters during the day, but has already had career firefighters removed permanently on nights and weekends. The volunteers are also restricted to the first due area because of PGFD's concerns about the station's inability to respond to emergency calls.
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IF THEY WANT TO SELL THE FIREBOAT I HAVE A GROUP INTRESTED IN IT
# posted by 
: June 17, 2009 11:34 AM
: June 17, 2009 11:34 AM
While I applaud Chief Jones on trying to do more with less during these economic hard times. I wonder why the management of the FD continues to keep messing things up such as violating union agreements and failing to make timely notifications to the volunteer companies to ensure adequate staffing or make calls for help to neighboring companies to assist with staffing efforts. Why not include both parties to ensure a positive solution to budget and staffing concerns for the best interest of the county citizens.
FYI I am a county citizen that lives in Bowie and am concerned in the direction the department is going.
FYI I am a county citizen that lives in Bowie and am concerned in the direction the department is going.
# posted by : June 17, 2009 11:51 AM
: June 17, 2009 11:51 AM
"I am a county citizen that lives in Bowie and am concerned in the direction the department is going."
As you should be...
As you should be...
# posted by : June 17, 2009 12:26 PM
: June 17, 2009 12:26 PM
Are you concerned enough to pay more taxes. That's what the overall solution is to not only the FD but all of the other Depts in the county. The closings need to remain fluid to take advantage of any volunteer staffing available.
# posted by : June 17, 2009 12:50 PM
: June 17, 2009 12:50 PM
Instead of raising taxes they should do the right thing: Cut the top dog staffing and take home cars and keep the troops out in the field where they are needed! Better yet assign the desk jockeys out in the field also to make up staffing, they are not too good to ride in the back of an ambulance or the jumpseat of the wagon!
# posted by : June 17, 2009 1:46 PM
: June 17, 2009 1:46 PM
PG still refuses to take 2nd medic off units to reduce OT and staff more medic units, why do they still get tennis shoe money, the union is so stubborn it is killing itself - make no doubt it Major Hess and Wood are pushing for a Balt County system - it looks that way with removal of carrer staff and letting the vols sink or swim
# posted by : June 17, 2009 1:49 PM
: June 17, 2009 1:49 PM
One way the criminals at the Crystal Palace in Marlboro could have helped to Fire/EMS department out. Was instead of sending all the EMS billing money to the general fund to could have sent it to the Fire Department. Lets see $500K a week well you really would be "Keep"in it Safe"
# posted by : June 17, 2009 1:50 PM
: June 17, 2009 1:50 PM
What this county is doing to the residents of this county is a joke. Their actions seem to indicate that they have nothing more then a grade school education or one that could be bought via the internet through various pop-up ads. There is little doubt left that the county council, JJ, and at least some of the higher ups do not care about the employees (career or volunteer) or the citizens of this county. Other counties in our area have budget shortfalls. What are they doing in comparison to PG? If you do some digging you will see nothing close. The only thing that really seems to make this worse is that the citizens do not care. Look at 17 and what happened there. Has there been any concern by the Suitland Civic Assoc.? Don't think so. Go to Montgomery, Howard, Fairfax, or even the district and say hey we are going to remove staffing from 5stations and see what happens. If PG had done what they should have done 10 years ago and start staffing units and still have a volly presence to supplement the career force some of this could have been avoided. Of course 8 years ago we elected a babbling idiot. I think we did it again for four more years of laughs. This new staffing plan will be intresting. A few things are for sure. Be ready to wait for help as a 911 caller or provider. Safety...ya OK. Stand at the ready to keep bending over because it's only gonna get worse.
# posted by : June 17, 2009 4:44 PM
: June 17, 2009 4:44 PM
There are certain things that are obvious and other things that are not. I can assure you that what transpired last night was not due to pushing of any one individual's personal agendas. In reference to Majors Hess or Wood "pushing for a Baltimore County system," one thing is certain; the two of these Majors have the best interest of the County, career and volunteer alike, and I have not heard them push any agenda other then having a functional fire service for Prince George's County. They both look out for the employees that work for them and they hold career employees and volunteer members accountable for their actions. I think you should check your facts when you speak of some on the Fire Chiefs Command Staff and understand who is calling the shots.
# posted by : June 17, 2009 5:37 PM
: June 17, 2009 5:37 PM
Dave, Define brownout and then explain how that fits into what PGFD is doing??
Is PGFD closing any stations other then the marine division, no. Brownouts don't apply to this plan, yet.
Is PGFD closing any stations other then the marine division, no. Brownouts don't apply to this plan, yet.
# posted by : June 17, 2009 6:05 PM
: June 17, 2009 6:05 PM
Our station just heard that Station 22 Cheverly (the technical rescue station) will will hang a closed sign on the door tomorrow too.
# posted by : June 17, 2009 8:28 PM
: June 17, 2009 8:28 PM
Why doesn't the PGFD and county officials just come out and admit it. They want another Baltimore County! The county will staff XX number of firehouses fully, strategically located and let the volunteers pick up the peices.
# posted by : June 17, 2009 8:58 PM
: June 17, 2009 8:58 PM
The term does apply. Station 22 will be closing for 24 hours tomorrow, June 18th. That station is also the lead technical rescue station.
# posted by : June 17, 2009 9:39 PM
: June 17, 2009 9:39 PM
MoCo is discussing the same issue, however they are approaching it intelligently. Chief Bowers has requested volunteers step up and provide additional staffing when paid staff are pulled from OT assignments.
# posted by : June 18, 2009 1:53 AM
: June 18, 2009 1:53 AM
Ok. Here it is in short. My brother and sister firefighters, BE SAFE. The citizens of PG, you need to complain about the high taxes you pay and lack of services you get. Remove staffing from 17,5,38,22 and 6 (RIP) and expect Dist Hgts and Seat Pleasant to pick up the slack is insane. Sorry to say but this doesn't end well for the citizens or the firefighters.
Glad I'm retired and out of PG County.
Glad I'm retired and out of PG County.
# posted by : June 18, 2009 9:00 AM
: June 18, 2009 9:00 AM
In addition to those Stations, Company 20 was notified at 830/9AM on 06/17/09 that staffing would be pulled at 1500Hrs on 06/17/09. Notification at 11pm on the 16th would have been much more favorable!!!!
Fortunately, the volunteers showed a lot of pride in their station, by gathering together and staffing the station. Several members even left the beach in order to come back and ensure that the citizens of Upper Marlboro and surrounding jurisdictions had the Fire and EMS coverage that they expect and demand!
In my opinion, this late notice provided to the Volunteer Corps show a complete lack of professionalism on the part of the PGFD "Management Team"
just my 2 cents....
Fortunately, the volunteers showed a lot of pride in their station, by gathering together and staffing the station. Several members even left the beach in order to come back and ensure that the citizens of Upper Marlboro and surrounding jurisdictions had the Fire and EMS coverage that they expect and demand!
In my opinion, this late notice provided to the Volunteer Corps show a complete lack of professionalism on the part of the PGFD "Management Team"
just my 2 cents....
# posted by : June 18, 2009 9:04 AM
: June 18, 2009 9:04 AM
"Several members even left the beach in order to come back and ensure that the citizens of Upper Marlboro and surrounding jurisdictions had the Fire and EMS coverage that they expect and demand!"
I guess we shouldn't ask who has been staffing the station while they were all gone, right?
Better check those blood alcohol contents before anyone gets behind the wheel.
I guess we shouldn't ask who has been staffing the station while they were all gone, right?
Better check those blood alcohol contents before anyone gets behind the wheel.
# posted by : June 18, 2009 9:26 AM
: June 18, 2009 9:26 AM
Well, you wanted change, you got it. I bet this isn't what you had in mind. Let's see how well this so called "combination system" works now. I guess they will be running ads in Pennsylvania Fireman and all up and down the East Coast to get volunteers to staff the apparatus.
# posted by : June 18, 2009 10:12 AM
: June 18, 2009 10:12 AM
Dave, is there any way to get a daily list of those Company's that have lost their staffing? Something like a link that lists the Company and the day. You have the connections to get the information.
# posted by : June 18, 2009 10:59 AM
: June 18, 2009 10:59 AM
I have been reading the comments, and I agree that redeploying Career Personnel maynot be the absolute solution. Everyone seems to be on the same page. I wholeheartedly agree with Chief Jones in trying to make it work with less. As far as Baltimore County System, how can anyone be so certain that what is in place, and has been for a number of years is good for PGFD? I am quite sure the Leadership from the Fire Chief,
Local 1619 leadership which does make a valid point of agreed upon Contract Issues. The Volunteer Leadership seems also to understand and supports what is and probably will occur. With respect to MCFRS yes Chief Bowers is counting on Volunteer participation MCFRS has taken the
2nd Paramedic off MICU. Their Micus are staffed with 1-EMT-B and ! Paramedic. The front Line Apparatus ie; Engine,Tower/Truck/Rescue Squad has 4- Staffing. One of the 4- Staffing is a Paramedic. They operate AFRA units similar to Paramedic Engines/Ambulances in PGFD. There are times when call load is overwhelming in every jurisdiction, MCFRS sends an AFRA with MICU. Sometimes a BLS Unit is sent along with 2-AFRA units. these AFRA units upgrade the BLS unit to a full MICU. Each Jurisdiction must put forth a system which works good. Sometimes additional units must be sent initially to ensure needed Staffing for Fire Ground Operations. The ICS is always in place. It is important to know there are sufficient Apparatus on the way to have a RIT (Rapid Intervention Team) The Career Staffing on EMS Units is basically a good way to ensure good Customer will be in place. Every Jurisdiction is going through these tough Financial times. Each day as Public Safety works tirelessly Career/Volunteer to provide the Best Level of professional Customer Service to the Taxpayers. This hard economic down turn will begin to get better as the economy improves. It may take a year maybe 2 or 3. The Local Fire and EMS Fire Chiefs and other Autorities can apply for SAFER Grants to Recruit/Hire new people. Budgets will improve over time. Right now today everyone Career/Volunteer realize the only way to succeed is to continullay
do the best each one can do. One issue to keep in mind, Minimal Overtime/Furloughs are better than Layoffs. It is always good to be one step ahead of the unemployment
line. This serves each and everyone. Volunteers must recognize their jobs could be on the cutting block, as well Career Firefighters do.
Local 1619 leadership which does make a valid point of agreed upon Contract Issues. The Volunteer Leadership seems also to understand and supports what is and probably will occur. With respect to MCFRS yes Chief Bowers is counting on Volunteer participation MCFRS has taken the
2nd Paramedic off MICU. Their Micus are staffed with 1-EMT-B and ! Paramedic. The front Line Apparatus ie; Engine,Tower/Truck/Rescue Squad has 4- Staffing. One of the 4- Staffing is a Paramedic. They operate AFRA units similar to Paramedic Engines/Ambulances in PGFD. There are times when call load is overwhelming in every jurisdiction, MCFRS sends an AFRA with MICU. Sometimes a BLS Unit is sent along with 2-AFRA units. these AFRA units upgrade the BLS unit to a full MICU. Each Jurisdiction must put forth a system which works good. Sometimes additional units must be sent initially to ensure needed Staffing for Fire Ground Operations. The ICS is always in place. It is important to know there are sufficient Apparatus on the way to have a RIT (Rapid Intervention Team) The Career Staffing on EMS Units is basically a good way to ensure good Customer will be in place. Every Jurisdiction is going through these tough Financial times. Each day as Public Safety works tirelessly Career/Volunteer to provide the Best Level of professional Customer Service to the Taxpayers. This hard economic down turn will begin to get better as the economy improves. It may take a year maybe 2 or 3. The Local Fire and EMS Fire Chiefs and other Autorities can apply for SAFER Grants to Recruit/Hire new people. Budgets will improve over time. Right now today everyone Career/Volunteer realize the only way to succeed is to continullay
do the best each one can do. One issue to keep in mind, Minimal Overtime/Furloughs are better than Layoffs. It is always good to be one step ahead of the unemployment
line. This serves each and everyone. Volunteers must recognize their jobs could be on the cutting block, as well Career Firefighters do.
# posted by : June 18, 2009 11:06 AM
: June 18, 2009 11:06 AM
In response to the comment:
"I guess we shouldn't ask who has been staffing the station while they were all gone, right?"
Four to Five volunteers stayed back in order to staff the station with the 2 career personnel. So I guess you can ask away since you though the answer was gonna be the opposite! Nice try though!
"I guess we shouldn't ask who has been staffing the station while they were all gone, right?"
Four to Five volunteers stayed back in order to staff the station with the 2 career personnel. So I guess you can ask away since you though the answer was gonna be the opposite! Nice try though!
# posted by : June 18, 2009 2:40 PM
: June 18, 2009 2:40 PM
And to think I used to be proud to be a career member of the Prince George's Fire/EMS Department. What an unmitigated shame.
# posted by : June 18, 2009 4:34 PM
: June 18, 2009 4:34 PM
This issue is not a career/volunteer battle ground. The politicians have always used these issues to further divide and conquer. The most current County Exec and Council have continually demonstrated their ineptitude. When these issues arise about every 4-8 years, the fire service members always default to blaming each other and taking shots at each other. This takes the spotlight off those who should be held accountable. Chief Jones and Lt. Colonel Stagnaro are dedicated employees who have been tasked with trying to implement policies conjured up by people who are ignorant to the delivery of emergency services. Only when the County civilian fire death rate reaches the national civilian death rate will anyone take notice. On the positive side, closing 6 & 17 and combining a few others is actually "addition by subtraction". These plans have been in the books for many years. The best thing that ever came out of those areas was an empty bus.
# posted by : June 18, 2009 5:42 PM
: June 18, 2009 5:42 PM
I would like to comment, that the lack of County Funding can an d should be addressed in the next Election. If I remember correctly Prince Georges County has the TRIM Initiative in place. TRIM/"Tax Reform in Maryland". In 2006 County Executive Jack Johnson made an all out attempt to repeal TRIM. The Tax Payer Group behind TRIM fought him hard. It was Defeated on the Ballot Referendum. No matter what anyone thinks about County Executive Johnson, He saw the absolute need to repeal this measure to release additional Funding into County Operating Budgets. What may be a source to reckon with is, County Tax payers should be looking for a Candidate
who recognizes the critical issue that exists. Perhaps a Candidate that has is Pro Public Safety, Pro Education, Pro Transportation. The same should be thought about in the County Council members who may run. The TRIM Group is solid against Tax Initiatives to enhance Quality of Life and Public Safety.
It's not to early to begin to look
and make contact with some good hard working folks who would realize the need to change this Crisis situation.
who recognizes the critical issue that exists. Perhaps a Candidate that has is Pro Public Safety, Pro Education, Pro Transportation. The same should be thought about in the County Council members who may run. The TRIM Group is solid against Tax Initiatives to enhance Quality of Life and Public Safety.
It's not to early to begin to look
and make contact with some good hard working folks who would realize the need to change this Crisis situation.
# posted by : June 18, 2009 7:53 PM
: June 18, 2009 7:53 PM
Dave, just wanted to let you know that I, Chief 23 of Forestville Volunteer Fire Department got notified today at 1500 (in Ocean City)that we would have no career staffing at the station on Friday June 19th from 0700 to 1500. This call came from a career Lt. who was passing on the information from the Battalion Chief. Suffice to say trying to find staffing with such short notice for a normal workday for volunteers has been next to impossible. After all, the volunteers do have daytime jobs in order to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads. What makes absolutely no sense is why they are taking the remaining 2 career people and moving them with the ambulance to a neighboring company. We were informed that this was due to contractual obligations in the union contract. If this is in fact the case, why was it not an issue for Station 19?
As has been proven in the past with the "schedulded duty shifts", the volunteers have picked up and covered those shifts with proper notice.
Due to such late notice, please inform the citizens of Forestville that on Friday from 0700 to 1500 that we are sorry to say that at this time, I cannot guarantee service to the community however I am still attempting to properly staff the station. Also, please advise those citizens that I will be attempting to work with the PGFD to avoid future staffing issues with these short notices to prevent problems like this in the coming weeks.
Chief Bobby Wilhite
Forestville Volunteer Fire Departmet
As has been proven in the past with the "schedulded duty shifts", the volunteers have picked up and covered those shifts with proper notice.
Due to such late notice, please inform the citizens of Forestville that on Friday from 0700 to 1500 that we are sorry to say that at this time, I cannot guarantee service to the community however I am still attempting to properly staff the station. Also, please advise those citizens that I will be attempting to work with the PGFD to avoid future staffing issues with these short notices to prevent problems like this in the coming weeks.
Chief Bobby Wilhite
Forestville Volunteer Fire Departmet
# posted by : June 19, 2009 12:09 AM
: June 19, 2009 12:09 AM
why not have some of the larger volunteer stations have some of there crews help out withe the stations that have low numbers turn out. oh thats right. you wouldnt want to give up your spots in 33 28 48 to go help your brother stations. work together with the paid. seriously. it can be done. how many vollies for pg county actually live in there first do. oh and another thing the vollies in pg are providing free labor for the county. the county could come in and rite know hire enough people and staff every county peice. and some of the vollie pieces too. and property taxes would skyrocket. this is just the beginning of a long and cumbersome road. get ready because it wont be over for a long time
# posted by : June 19, 2009 2:59 AM
: June 19, 2009 2:59 AM
I'm sorry but you should be forthcoming about the fact that Forestville was offered 2 extra paid personnel in the PMs to bring staffing to 4 around the clock and they said no.
But you want to complain about losing daytime crews when you turned down extra staffing to begin with?
But you want to complain about losing daytime crews when you turned down extra staffing to begin with?
# posted by : June 19, 2009 5:17 AM
: June 19, 2009 5:17 AM
Jackass Johns has all the money in the world to take vacation trips to Africa and other places around the world and even take an "entourage" ALL ON COUNTY EXPENSE! And Johnson also has the money for personal limosine and drivers for his use (and so do several other county politicians and high-ranking officials). Many other County "management", "Command" and "essential" employees have county cars and expense accounts ALL ON THE TAXPAYER yet most of these "essential" and "vital" employees are NEVER IN THEIR OFFICES OR WORKSPACES!
Yet Johnson & Co. whine that the County is broke, that they need more money, that they must raise taxes, but they CAN'T STOP SPENDING ON THEMSELVES! The people are watching and electiosnare coming! Jackass doesn't care because term limits will take care of him, but the others want to come back...and they WON'T get re-elected!
It's the little guy who ALWAYS gets nailed.
Yet Johnson & Co. whine that the County is broke, that they need more money, that they must raise taxes, but they CAN'T STOP SPENDING ON THEMSELVES! The people are watching and electiosnare coming! Jackass doesn't care because term limits will take care of him, but the others want to come back...and they WON'T get re-elected!
It's the little guy who ALWAYS gets nailed.
# posted by : June 19, 2009 7:59 AM
: June 19, 2009 7:59 AM
For the person implying that 23 turned down the additional 2 career staffing: Even if that in fact was the case, it would not have prevented this situation that the county has so graciously bestowed upon the volunteer stations from occuring. Any additions or subtractions are not going to take place until after these "brownouts" are over with on July 1.
I would be curious as to your source of information since I have heard differently. My understanding is that 23 accepted the extra 2 and they will be starting the FOUR man shift on July 5.
I would be curious as to your source of information since I have heard differently. My understanding is that 23 accepted the extra 2 and they will be starting the FOUR man shift on July 5.
# posted by : June 19, 2009 10:32 AM
: June 19, 2009 10:32 AM
Just a quick question...When was the last time 23 ever provided "service". Other than the two chiefs I didn't think they had any volunteers.....maybe I'm wrong
# posted by : June 19, 2009 11:04 AM
: June 19, 2009 11:04 AM
The last time that I checked, Forestville does in fact have volunteers other than the 2 chiefs that you mention. Granted, they may not have the numbers that they once had or that other stations currently have, but there are still riding members on their role books. They have been manning the station during the "scheduled duty shifts" for the last year or more; and that is both ambo and wagon and at times even both wagons (and no, this is not during a meeting night or other function...strictly times when the career folks are pulled from the station). The volunteers were even able to provide minimal staffing when the career staff were injured at the gas explosion at Pen Mar shopping center (due in part to the timing of the incident and the fact that some volunteers were getting off of work at that time).
Bottom line is this: We, as members of the PGFD (career and vollies) should have great concern over the well-being of the tax paying citizens. This should not be the time to be putting either side under the microscope, but rather those individuals who are making or forcing someone to make these decisions.
Bottom line is this: We, as members of the PGFD (career and vollies) should have great concern over the well-being of the tax paying citizens. This should not be the time to be putting either side under the microscope, but rather those individuals who are making or forcing someone to make these decisions.
# posted by : June 19, 2009 12:22 PM
: June 19, 2009 12:22 PM
Hey Chief Bobby Wilhite lets face the facts, besides meeting nights on Monday you are not able to provide staffing for the greater Forestville area. The two career guys that are stationed there go out by themselves 99% of the time.
Oh and while I have your ear, the staffing that you do provide is horrible and inadequete. The members are either way past retirement age, over weight and out of shape or mentally incabable of turning to the correct map page.
Tell the truth, with very few expections you and the "vols" at Forestville are not cabable of doing much more than opening the door for the paid guys at the station.
Oh and while I have your ear, the staffing that you do provide is horrible and inadequete. The members are either way past retirement age, over weight and out of shape or mentally incabable of turning to the correct map page.
Tell the truth, with very few expections you and the "vols" at Forestville are not cabable of doing much more than opening the door for the paid guys at the station.
# posted by : June 19, 2009 12:28 PM
: June 19, 2009 12:28 PM
Just a thought from the inside. What everyone needs to keep in mind it the county is broke. Until July 1 the problems that we had last month are the same as they are today. Throw OC week in and now we have a major issue. Vol can and have during the past just picked up and left. Depending on the county to allow OT for that period, well they can't do that now, see Larry and Karl spent that $$ before this chief got here, and he is left with giving the bad news to all. What I do see is this is going to be done across the board, and the great state of Bowie will need to stop crying and get their Chief and mighty President to use the pure numbers that the city has and get at least of of their Stations all Vol. after 300PM. I see the union and volunteers leaders understanding the money crises we face and do their part to see the pass this, and during the next cycle make sure that we dont end up like we have this last 1/4. Chief Jones you are doing a wonderful job and giving the facts that the money isnt there you give the county fire department reason to believe that we will be that great system we once were
# posted by : June 19, 2009 2:30 PM
: June 19, 2009 2:30 PM
"What makes absolutely no sense is why they are taking the remaining 2 career people and moving them with the ambulance to a neighboring company. We were informed that this was due to contractual obligations in the union contract. If this is in fact the case, why was it not an issue for Station 19?"
Station 19 was left with a FF and a LT to ride the ambo, therefore there was supervision as required in the 1619 contract.
And to the last poster who said "Chief Jones you are doing a wonderful job ", let me ammend your post to make it a little more realistic.
"Chief Jones, I understand that this isn't your fault. You work for an absolute moron that doesn't know how to balance a damn checkbook. That is why we have no money. I understand that you are a spineless puppet sent to carry out Uncle Jack's evil plan. As far as carrying out that evil plan, I applaud you. Thank you for dragging this once admirable department into the mud."
I just want things the way they used to be...
Station 19 was left with a FF and a LT to ride the ambo, therefore there was supervision as required in the 1619 contract.
And to the last poster who said "Chief Jones you are doing a wonderful job ", let me ammend your post to make it a little more realistic.
"Chief Jones, I understand that this isn't your fault. You work for an absolute moron that doesn't know how to balance a damn checkbook. That is why we have no money. I understand that you are a spineless puppet sent to carry out Uncle Jack's evil plan. As far as carrying out that evil plan, I applaud you. Thank you for dragging this once admirable department into the mud."
I just want things the way they used to be...
# posted by : June 19, 2009 4:55 PM
: June 19, 2009 4:55 PM
Dave, I've heard that there is some master staffing plan but old JJ won’t let the Fire Chief release it. Why not release the plan and quit playing Russian roulette with the citizens. If they know what they need to do why don’t they just do it and get it over with?
# posted by : June 19, 2009 7:03 PM
: June 19, 2009 7:03 PM
I just want things the way they used to be...
Looks like they are turning the clock back 25 years. Your retro 1970's fire department coming right up.
Looks like they are turning the clock back 25 years. Your retro 1970's fire department coming right up.
# posted by : June 19, 2009 7:05 PM
: June 19, 2009 7:05 PM
Hay Dave, you were in OC this year, why not find out how much tax payer money did the volly’s use to go to OC? Did all those volly chiefs take their county supported cars to Ocean City using county gas and wasting county funds to go play in the sand? Now they want to complain because they had to come back and provide service? I have a tough time feeling sorry for them. They finally have to earn their keep for all the perks they get from the county.
Hay Chief Willhite doesn’t the sign if front of your station say VOLUNTEER? But your mad because there are no CAREER people?
Hay Chief Willhite doesn’t the sign if front of your station say VOLUNTEER? But your mad because there are no CAREER people?
# posted by : June 19, 2009 7:21 PM
: June 19, 2009 7:21 PM
For the concerned persons worried about tax dollars, Not much stuff at OC this year from the county unless you count the 3 or 4 vehicles that were there being driven by 1619 carrer county employees, Wonder if the were on the clock or not? And if we are worried about misuse of county money and vehicles, I believe a giant misuse of administrative leave and county vehicles would be the MD tournament. Don't pat yourself on the back for helping this excellant charity when you are being given free leave to work the tournament and a free vehicle to ride around in. Oh and how many stations won't be staffed that week?
And some fat,out of shape,incompetent and worthless people wear county patches too. Any station on any day can do the job without any problems it is just a matter of the right people at the right place at the right time.
And some fat,out of shape,incompetent and worthless people wear county patches too. Any station on any day can do the job without any problems it is just a matter of the right people at the right place at the right time.
# posted by : June 19, 2009 11:45 PM
: June 19, 2009 11:45 PM
The Chief was not mad because there were no career people. He was mad because the county did not have the common courtesy to notify him ahead of time so he could ensure a crew was there. As far as the Ocean City expenses, Iam sure that per person the volunteers spent no more than the Fire Chief and his entourage did.
# posted by : June 20, 2009 12:37 AM
: June 20, 2009 12:37 AM
Comparing OC week to the MD Tournament is apples and oranges. Yes, both involve alcohol. However, one raises an assload of money for kids with Muscular Dystrophy. One thing that the county has done in the past has been to support that worth while cause. You had to scrape the bottom of the barrel for that one. As some of the kitchen folks or the BangerBanger's if they are getting a "free day off". You're a moron.
# posted by : June 20, 2009 11:44 AM
: June 20, 2009 11:44 AM
Ok Enough criticism said already
There have been a lot of comments about redeployment of Career personnel, and Brown out Staffing. It's time now for everyone to stop making negative statements. Yes I agree there should have a more formulated schedule to notify the Volunteer Chiefs ie; Chief 823 that reduced Career Staffing would take place within 24 hours. That's
Professional Courtesy. Ok so now everyone is well aware of the Staffing Initiative and can/must act towards having Volunteer Staffing make up the time gap. The comments about how much money the Volunteers spent in Ocean City, is this really an issue of concern? What about the IAFF going to Las Vegas I think real soon for their annual IAFF Convention/Conference.
How many PGFD Career Personnel will be attending in Las Vegas? Whatever the number of personnel how much money is spent both in Ocean City and Las Vegas it is an annual event that occurs to discuss and promote the respective organizations purpose and/or goals within today's economic situation.
I really donot believe that the negative criticism of Fire Chief Eugene Jones is warranted. Let's all take a step back. (1) County Executive no matter what anyone thinks about him is charged with Budget Allocations within a Tight
Limited Budget. The Executive must mandate to the Department heads to make it work within their Budget.
The absolute Top Priority Departments are; Public Safety, we all know which individual Agencies are within Public safety. Obviously whatever the amount of Budgeted Funding may be is not enough. It never is. Next there is Education, one cannot put a dollar figure on the need and workings of the Education for the Children of tommorrow. Then there is Transportation. Obviously this Budget interacts with the other Depts. Then there is Health and Human services. who among us can say how much or how little funding is needed for this People Agency?
The Fire Chief is mandated to provide the best level of Fire and EMS Services to the Taxpayers in PG County. To call him a Puppet of the Executive is really uncalled for. He's doing the best he can with less Funding for Personnel, Equipment. He needs and expects everyone to step up to the plate and make things happen. Chief Jones is a good and decent man. he doesn't deserve the negative words
which serve no real value except to
make things seem like he's not doing enough. Chief Jones, needs total support and respect for his efforts and most noteably his position as the County Fire and EMS Chief. I am quite sure the Leadership, of IAFF Local 1619, the Volunteer leadership can bring about an understanding of what is, what possibly could be in these times of difficult Budgetary Constraints. I believe everyone is on the same page here. Reasonable people can and must work together with the Fire Chief in Open Dialogue.
There have been a lot of comments about redeployment of Career personnel, and Brown out Staffing. It's time now for everyone to stop making negative statements. Yes I agree there should have a more formulated schedule to notify the Volunteer Chiefs ie; Chief 823 that reduced Career Staffing would take place within 24 hours. That's
Professional Courtesy. Ok so now everyone is well aware of the Staffing Initiative and can/must act towards having Volunteer Staffing make up the time gap. The comments about how much money the Volunteers spent in Ocean City, is this really an issue of concern? What about the IAFF going to Las Vegas I think real soon for their annual IAFF Convention/Conference.
How many PGFD Career Personnel will be attending in Las Vegas? Whatever the number of personnel how much money is spent both in Ocean City and Las Vegas it is an annual event that occurs to discuss and promote the respective organizations purpose and/or goals within today's economic situation.
I really donot believe that the negative criticism of Fire Chief Eugene Jones is warranted. Let's all take a step back. (1) County Executive no matter what anyone thinks about him is charged with Budget Allocations within a Tight
Limited Budget. The Executive must mandate to the Department heads to make it work within their Budget.
The absolute Top Priority Departments are; Public Safety, we all know which individual Agencies are within Public safety. Obviously whatever the amount of Budgeted Funding may be is not enough. It never is. Next there is Education, one cannot put a dollar figure on the need and workings of the Education for the Children of tommorrow. Then there is Transportation. Obviously this Budget interacts with the other Depts. Then there is Health and Human services. who among us can say how much or how little funding is needed for this People Agency?
The Fire Chief is mandated to provide the best level of Fire and EMS Services to the Taxpayers in PG County. To call him a Puppet of the Executive is really uncalled for. He's doing the best he can with less Funding for Personnel, Equipment. He needs and expects everyone to step up to the plate and make things happen. Chief Jones is a good and decent man. he doesn't deserve the negative words
which serve no real value except to
make things seem like he's not doing enough. Chief Jones, needs total support and respect for his efforts and most noteably his position as the County Fire and EMS Chief. I am quite sure the Leadership, of IAFF Local 1619, the Volunteer leadership can bring about an understanding of what is, what possibly could be in these times of difficult Budgetary Constraints. I believe everyone is on the same page here. Reasonable people can and must work together with the Fire Chief in Open Dialogue.
# posted by : June 20, 2009 1:00 PM
: June 20, 2009 1:00 PM
1st off, much like the comparison of the MD tournament to the OC week, comparing OC week to the IAFF convention in Vegas is bulls**t as well. Tax dollars do not send people to Vegas for the convention, my union dues do. What we (1619) choose to spend our union dues on is not comparable to tax dollars sending volunteers to drink it up in OC for the week.
2nd, the fire chief, like it or not, IS A PUPPET to the County Exec. Also, to side with ol' Uncle Jack and give me the "pitty Jack, he has to make it work with less money. He doesn't have the money to spend" is also a bunch of bulls**t! I understand that the economy is in the toilet, we all get that. We all understand that you must make it work with less, but a large majority of the problems with the county's budget is due to gross mismanagement and poor spending on the part of the County Exec and the County Council! Don't pitty him, hold him accountable! Don't fall for his "it's all the union's fault" line of crap!
I'd be interested to see what percent of Fairfax or Montgomery's County budgets are spent on public safety as compared to PG. Their employees are well compensated comparable to PG and the citizens of those counties atleast get the services they pay for!
2nd, the fire chief, like it or not, IS A PUPPET to the County Exec. Also, to side with ol' Uncle Jack and give me the "pitty Jack, he has to make it work with less money. He doesn't have the money to spend" is also a bunch of bulls**t! I understand that the economy is in the toilet, we all get that. We all understand that you must make it work with less, but a large majority of the problems with the county's budget is due to gross mismanagement and poor spending on the part of the County Exec and the County Council! Don't pitty him, hold him accountable! Don't fall for his "it's all the union's fault" line of crap!
I'd be interested to see what percent of Fairfax or Montgomery's County budgets are spent on public safety as compared to PG. Their employees are well compensated comparable to PG and the citizens of those counties atleast get the services they pay for!
# posted by : June 21, 2009 11:40 AM
: June 21, 2009 11:40 AM
Unfortanately, many people will make this a career/volunteer issue, this is strictly a budget issue. Are there still ways we can cut expenditures, yes. One thing that should not be comprimised is personnel safety. Its amazing that we still hear all the times fire trucks responding with two personnel, its only because we are not allowed to respond driver only anymore we don't hear driver only responses.
To blame Chief Sedgewick for all the problems is also not correct. Many times were plans submitted to reduce OT that were rejected by Herron and/or Johnson, cutting the 1500 to 1700 staffing for one was cancelled atleast four times after letters were sent.
Believe what you want about Jones, but just remember he can only do what Herron and Johnson allow him to do.
I do have a few questions though that maybe someone can answer;
Why is there a Lt. Colonel (currently on FMLA), a FF/Medic B/C, a FF/Medic Captain, and a FF/Medic Lieutenant assigned to Herrons office?
How much are those salaries counted toward the FD budget?
How many acting positions do they create in the field, potentially 9?
How many acting positions has Jones created since becoming Fire Chief and do those personnel who are acting in office positions get acting pay money?
How many personnel have take home vehicles and do they take them home if they live out of the county? (there are some positions that should have take home vehicles even if they live out of county)
Please only reply with constructive answers.
Maybe the Fire Chief should put together a committee of career and volunteer members to come up with some real ideas for saving money. I realize this would be hard to do because its just nature for people to want to cut the other guys/gal money and not there own.
To blame Chief Sedgewick for all the problems is also not correct. Many times were plans submitted to reduce OT that were rejected by Herron and/or Johnson, cutting the 1500 to 1700 staffing for one was cancelled atleast four times after letters were sent.
Believe what you want about Jones, but just remember he can only do what Herron and Johnson allow him to do.
I do have a few questions though that maybe someone can answer;
Why is there a Lt. Colonel (currently on FMLA), a FF/Medic B/C, a FF/Medic Captain, and a FF/Medic Lieutenant assigned to Herrons office?
How much are those salaries counted toward the FD budget?
How many acting positions do they create in the field, potentially 9?
How many acting positions has Jones created since becoming Fire Chief and do those personnel who are acting in office positions get acting pay money?
How many personnel have take home vehicles and do they take them home if they live out of the county? (there are some positions that should have take home vehicles even if they live out of county)
Please only reply with constructive answers.
Maybe the Fire Chief should put together a committee of career and volunteer members to come up with some real ideas for saving money. I realize this would be hard to do because its just nature for people to want to cut the other guys/gal money and not there own.
# posted by : June 21, 2009 9:45 PM
: June 21, 2009 9:45 PM
I would like to respond to the comments that I submitted about Ocean City and IAFf Conventions. I didnot in any way say or have any reason to have anyone interpet my words as criticism. I really donot appreciate the ugly vulgarity vile words of the individual who obviously is a Union member. As far as compensation for other jurisdictions, (1) Montgomery County Career Firefighters gave up their negoiated COLAS as did the other County Unions. I can only believe that remarks based upon vile negative words are done because of what one could interpet as frustration. Just foer the record I resigned from another Local
IAFF within Washington Metropolitan Area. I cannot/willnot tolerate subject my intelligence to anyone/organization that consistently speaks verbly of negatism. primarily against Volunteers. I would hope you never get yourself in a MAY Day, May Day Dreaded situation. Some of those Volunteers you criticize just may pull you out of a Burning Building.
It has already occurred. Remember several months back. The Union has good work related benefits but the IAFF has a lot to be desired when it comes to people. You are a good example of what, why I detest the IAFF. You have little or no respect for the Fire Chief, Your words speak volumes. "Chief Jones is a good and decent man." He doesnot seserve to be labled a puppett. He is doing his job under Direction from the Powers to be. Like the County Executive or not he's elected by the Taxpayers. Remember he TRIED to repeal The TRIM Initiative and the tax payers voted it down. They pretty much said "Accepted Risk". Repealing the TRIM obviously would have put more money in the Budgets. No one knew or had any prior knowledge/control of the Economy faulting downward.
IAFF within Washington Metropolitan Area. I cannot/willnot tolerate subject my intelligence to anyone/organization that consistently speaks verbly of negatism. primarily against Volunteers. I would hope you never get yourself in a MAY Day, May Day Dreaded situation. Some of those Volunteers you criticize just may pull you out of a Burning Building.
It has already occurred. Remember several months back. The Union has good work related benefits but the IAFF has a lot to be desired when it comes to people. You are a good example of what, why I detest the IAFF. You have little or no respect for the Fire Chief, Your words speak volumes. "Chief Jones is a good and decent man." He doesnot seserve to be labled a puppett. He is doing his job under Direction from the Powers to be. Like the County Executive or not he's elected by the Taxpayers. Remember he TRIED to repeal The TRIM Initiative and the tax payers voted it down. They pretty much said "Accepted Risk". Repealing the TRIM obviously would have put more money in the Budgets. No one knew or had any prior knowledge/control of the Economy faulting downward.
# posted by : June 22, 2009 11:22 AM
: June 22, 2009 11:22 AM
Until 1619 quites calling my house asking me for donations don't worry about what volunteers do with their donations and taxpayer money. Enjoy your days off
# posted by : June 22, 2009 11:31 AM
: June 22, 2009 11:31 AM
"(1) Montgomery County Career Firefighters gave up their negoiated COLAS as did the other County Unions."
Wrong, they simply delayed them.
Wrong, they simply delayed them.
# posted by : June 22, 2009 5:11 PM
: June 22, 2009 5:11 PM
To the person who resigned from their Local, I bet you didn't turn down any of the pay raises or benefits that that Local gained for you. You're a hypocrite. Have a nice day.
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