Friday, May 29, 2009
New information on the confrontation between police & EMS crew in Oklahoma. Read statements from bystanders & the patient.
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June 16 update: Paramedic White says Trooper Martin should have badge and gun taken away
More STATter911.com coverage: Trooper's lawyer says medic is danger to the community; Dash cam video released; Fox News interviews EMS crew & Trooper Martin; Trooper on administrative leave; No charges filed by DA; EMT-B Paul Franks speaks out; Read statements from Toopers Martin & Iker; Troopers identified; Statements from witnesses and the patient; Reaction from police officers; Statements from EMS crew.
Watch KOKI-TV interview with bystander Diana Walkup
Read statement from bystanders Diana Walkup and Peggy Skaggs
Read statement from patient Stella Jordan
On Sunday, Diana Walkup and Peggy Skaggs were returning from the Paden Cemetery when they witnessed the confrontation between Oklahoma Highway Patrol's Daniel Martin and the Creek Nation ambulance crew of Maurice White Jr. and Paul Franks. In a written statement, the women indicate they were horrified by the patrolman's behavior.
On Thursday, Walkup talked by phone with KOKI-TV's Abbie Alford, telling the reporter, "He came running around the back of the ambulance, 'I am going to arrest you for obstruction of justice.' We thought 'good Lord what's happened?'"
Here are excerpts from Alford's report:
When paramedic Maurice White got out of the ambulance to tell the trooper they had a patient en route to the hospital, Walkup says what happened next is appalling.
"Then he [White] put his hands up as if, I don't know I can't say what he was thinking but he was afraid he was going to get hit,” says Walkup.
"I saw what I saw and I was just, like I said horrified at the treatment of the family," says Walkup.
Alford confirmed with Creek Nation officials that at the time of the traffic stop the ambulance lights and siren were not on.
A statement from patient Stella Jordan is also now available. Critical Care Paramedic Maurice White Jr., who has been involved in EMS for more than 30-years, was treating Ms. Jordan:
I heard him say when he got out of the vehicle, “we have a transport and we need to get her to the hospital.” After that happened, I felt a continuous bumping against the driver’s side of the ambulance. After a little while, the EMT got back in the ambulance. He then said “we are getting ready to go to the hospital. They may arrest me when we get there, but I’m going to make sure you get there”. Then there was a knock at the side door of the ambulance. He opened the door and proceeded to exit. With the door opened I noticed him falling back, almost into the ambulance & an arm around his neck, which appeared to be an officer’s arm. I was so afraid of what was going on I just lost it and began screaming. My heart began to race so fast & I started having trouble breathing. I wanted someone to come help me. I was strapped in and there was an IV hook-up & heart monitor attached to me so I couldn’t get up.
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OHP indicates its investigation is continuing and the troopers who were on the scene remain on full duty status. There has been no further comment from OHP about the incident.
KOKI-TV says it has filed an open records request in an effort to get the OHP dash cam video.
Under Oklahoma law interfering with an EMS crew is considered a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months and jail and a $500 fine.
The officers involved should be taken off of patrol duty and sent some place where they never deal with the public again. I am glad there's video to back up the assault.
I don't have access to all the evidence, and if the box was not running hot, and the trooper was, he should have yielded to the trooper.
I can certainly believe that the driver of the box was attempting to avoid hitting a civilian driver that wasn't operating their private vehicle (pronounced veehickle hear in Texas) in a safe manner.
I would hope that the commanding officer for that trooper has the good sense to offer the following solution. A public apology from the trooper to all those he caused harm to with his behavior. It should be done at the location requested by the EMS crew and family. No lawsuit, no termination of the trooper, and no need for criminal charges on anyone's part.
I'm hopeful that the trooper involved is a first time offender. He looks young in the video, and maybe he's been on a deployment or two in the last few years with a branch of the US military. A lot of law enforcement officers in Texas have been called up for deployment to Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm all for trying to salvage careers and set an example for future generations of recruits. Save the video, show it in the academy, and then talk about what the worst possible outcome could have been: a patient dying, a medic dying, a massive lawsuit, allegations of racial discrimination. Firing the trooper won't rid the system of the cancer that creates situations like this.
This is the chance to teach the a lesson (make sure it is the right one), and one that everyone could benefit from. Treat the patient, not the monitor.
There is no exscuse for their behavior. This situation could have easily waited until they arrived at the hospital. The troopers put that patients life in jeopardy.
Personally I think they should be terminated, not given the option but terminated. I'm so glad there were witnesses.
My point about the deployments was that time away from family, friends, and work can all exacerbate stress in one's private life that can spill over into how you deal with the public.
If your marriage was in a rocky place before the deployment, how does it look after? If your finances were tough before, how about after the deployment. Not the fault of the serviceman or woman, but certainly the unknown that isn't on the tape that could help explain some of the blow-up.
All written from experience, and not making any value judgments about anyone other than myself.
PLEASE WRITE AND VOICE YOUR CONCERN!
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Do not let these guys get away with what they have done- THANK GOD SOMEONE RECORDED THIS SITUATION!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KluItc365hU
He was acting as if to resist them and that is why they grabbed him like that, they were within their rights then, other than that dunno
For one I think the officers should get fired, but yet they won't. They'll get suppended with pay and probably get a slap on the hand for it. Our laws in the United States Of America need to be fix and straighten up.
Officers get away with so much crap it's ridiculous and wrong unfair to the people. Not only that the OHP say that the EMT didn't have his lights on in his statement. It's stupid! It's common sense for EMT to turn there lights on. I surprised if the Family doesn't sue for the issue of the harassment they want through.
If there is true justice out there please, please don't let these 2 officers back on the road. Cause if they come after me, I have my lawyer on speed dial and I'll make sure they don't have a job for the state as long as they live. And that is not a threat, It's a Promise.....
Not to mention he had no business putting his hands around the EMT's throat like he did. That was uncalled for and unprofessional. It is officers like this that open the door for those who bring hatred against the honest hard working people in law enforcment in this country.
wtf are we thinking america giving some good ol boys power guns and the right to do wtvr the fuck they want??? how can we honestly say ppl like that shouldnt be punished?
I always rememberd police should protect and serve not patronize belittle anoy and bully.
I would be upset if it were my family member in the back of the unit, but I'd still wait for the entire case to be presented. I remember someone saying to me, "How would you feel if it were your sister the Duke lax players raped?" They didn't rape anyone, she lied, the DA lied, and a good coach lost his job.
I have faith that in the long run, the truth comes out. It certainly appears that the officer displayed poor judgment, but I don't have the entire story. It certainly appears that the medic abandoned his patient in the back of the unit, and as described by him, she was being monitored for cardiac irregularities. I don't know what his departmental protocols are, but it seems to me he left his patient. So it seems that there were two individuals using poor judgment. I don't know what his departmental protocols are about abandoning a patient, but that what the video seems to show. Again, I'll point out that we don't have the entire story, but should he be punished for not maintaining a standard of care for his patient when he stepped out of the unit? Should he be open to lawsuit by the family for failing to maintain a standard of care.
The officer appears to be a hothead. He certainly seems to have made a mistake, and even worse for him, it was caught on camera.
What I have failed to hear any of the posters who claim to be law enforcement, is that an officer in the field usually knows just how much his superiors will let him get away with. You can fire him, and you won't change a thing about the way that his station/troop (whatever they call it) behaves.
A lawsuit only punishes the taxpayers (do you really think that the state of Oklahoma is insured through Lloyd's of London, I guarantee you they are a captive.
Have him apologize in public. Have his commanding officer stand next to him and apologize as well. Show that video as well as the video to every new recruit to walk through the doors in the State Troopers' Academy. I guarantee you that you will change and modify behavior.
I happen to be a sinner. I am far from perfect. I appreciate those who took the time to counsel me and saw some chance for me to redeem my past mistakes. I know very few individuals in the fire service who haven't made mistakes (intentional or unintentional), maybe things are different in your department, but I tend to believe that humans can and are worth salvaging.
I wish we could all be like Warrant Officer Hugh Thompson at My Lai, but we aren't. He seems to be a pretty good standard to try and measure up to. I suggest that most of us fall far short, in our personal and professional lives. I'll wait for our well thought out and constructed legal system to grind through this.
Way To GO Oklahoma PD! Idiots
Some are saying "The Ambulance should have had it's lights on, the answer is, no they shouldn't, nor do they have to when transporting a patient.
The first mistake committed during this event is, when the Trooper decided to stop the Ambulance knowing full well, that there was a patient on board.
Not only was that a stupid thing to do, but....now pay attention.....Illegal!
Yes people, it was an Illegal act by this Trooper.
According to independent eyewitness, it was the Trooper that grabbed the Paramedic, not the other way round, keep in mind, that the driver was the EMT-B, not the Paramedic, the Paramedic was attending to the patient in the back, so the Trooper had no reason to assault the Paramedic in the first place.
Everything else is irrelevent.
Had the dash cam shown the Paramedic to be at fault, it would have long been released, the Paramedic would have already been charged of which neither has occurred.
To the ones that believe these two Troopers(Yes both, one for acting like a moron, and the other for failing to intervene during the act of a crime) should get a break due to stress, you are no smarter than these two clown.
At what time should action be taken, perhaps after they shoot someone in their fit of rage?
We are Law Enforcement Officers, that doesn't mean you are above the law!
We are here to serve and protect, of which neither was done, there was no regard for the well being of the patient.
To my fellow brothers in arms(Paramedics, EMT's, Firefighters, First Responders)....State Troopers are like any other people out there, sometimes you get a jackass, we are not all like that.
the one that pulled over the ambulance his name is Daniel Martin badge number 606
heres the number to reach his captain 918-423-3636
call the governor of oklahoma Brad Henry 405-521-2342
Let me point out that if where the cops were going was SO IMPORTANT, why did it suddenly become more of a priority to break the law and interfere with an EMT? Guess the donut shop (the previous emergency) can wait.
NOTHING will become of this. The black dude will be fined, charged, lose his job - cause he can't be bonded. As for the cops, well, *snerk* good ol' boys, thin blue line, rinse lather repeat.
All I can say is this - when EMT hears a call come in - OFFICER DOWN - make sure to drive REAL SLOW and yield to anyone else on the road. Maybe that'll learn em.
In California, an officer shot an unarmed boy on New Years Eve, and the entire community continues to be seething over it. The cop was taken off duty immediately, quit the force because of fear of what the community will do to him, and is now facing murder charges.
These cops need the same treatment by the community to really drive home what a horrific act this was...not just to the people involved, but to the community as a whole. If you live there, STAND UP FOR YOUR PEOPLE. Go protest the police and the local government until they do something about this. You need to rally people...close streets...make the police nervous as hell.
Your government should fear you...you should not fear your government.
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
Chapter 20 - Assault and Battery
Section 650.3 - Interference with Emergency Medical Technicians or Care Providers - Punishment
Cite as: O.S. §, __ __
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Every person who willfully delays, obstructs or in any way interferes with an emergency medical technician or other emergency medical care provider in the performance of or attempt to perform emergency medical care and treatment or in going to or returning from the scene of a medical emergency, upon conviction, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six (6) months, or by a fine not to exceed Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or by both such fine and imprisonment.
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EVERY PERSON... this includes egotistical police officers. If you notice, this law does not state that the ambulance has to be running "hot" (lights and sirens) just "in the performance of or attempt to perform emergency medical care and treatment or in going to or returning from the scene of a medical emergency"... These officers should be punished to the full extent of the law!
And if we don't like it, they say their job is dangerous.
And if we still don't like it, they say they were hyped because of the chase.
They are THUGS... that's all. Nothing but thugs.
Which makes me wonder if either of these guys worked for Blackwater Secuirty...
As a combat medic currently serving my country in Ft. Sill OKLAHOMA and as a compassionate human being, this video makes me sick to my stomach to see such a violent act done to a crew saving lives.
Texas Gordo, I think reading your comment dropped my intelligence level quite a bit. You sir are truly proof that being a poor professional does not matter when you are in a field of that which consists of good old boys and hicks.
Regardless of this trooper's prior military history, soldiers are trained to be outstanding leaders and proffessionals, not courtyard bullies with a badge.
As for the ambulance driver and the patient and family;
I would push lawsuit and maximum criminal charges just to ensure the next "trainee" in Academy realizes what repercussions are involved in placing personal pride above public passion.
Did the Troopers think the EMS crew was trying to help someone in need? They may not have legally been able to go Code 3, but did the idea they were trying to do the next best thing come to mind? Could a "traffic violation" by the EMS unit have waited until they got to the Hospital?
You mean the EMT on the receiving end of the choke hold wasn't the driver?
Ah, the dash cam. Release it already. It's more impartial than some want to say. Be aware that 5 PD Officers in Birmingham, AL were fired lately, due to what they were caught doing on a dash cam. They beat a car chase suspect after he was ejected from a crash at the end of the chase.
Explain? Yes. Excuse? No.
comment: "He [EMT]was acting as if to resist them and that is why they grabbed him"
yeah, resist cops illegal, inappropriate, dangerous behavior.
Whether they are civilian or public employees with authority there are some people who simply are childish assholes who regularly start problems and then try to blame others.
Cops are supposed to SOLVE problems. This cops childishness was exposed. Apparently his first step in dealing with problems is to first create a new problem by starting a confrontation!
he has alot of growing up to do and until his reaches emotional and intellectual adulthood he should not be a public employee with a weapon and the authority to kill.
there was another revealing comment above which said the problem was not the hotheadedness of the cop but rather that cellphones prevent assholes, who have infiltrated the police department, from hiding their crimes from being held accountable under the rule and laws. Such a comment shows that person to have a criminal mind and goals.
There is at least one other trooper patrolling our state roads "looking" for folks who don't immediately, and by that I mean instantaneously, pull over with total compliance. I was ticketed for "failure to yield to an emergency vehicle" in a similar situation as this. The trooper in question (one of two on a vehicle accident call) approached at great speed with no lights or sirens. Once I noticed him, my vehicle was on a non-shouldered bridge about 1/4 mile long (Bird Creek on Hwy 66 north of Catoosa). He was furious that I not only did not stop immediately (instantaneously), he was upset that I waited until I was off the two-lane single direction bridge. I offered an explanation for my behaviour, based on my review of the situation that had just played out. I explained in detail the how and why of controlling and operating my vehicle, but he couldn't get to that ticket book fast enough (almost as fast as he was driving that day). After he ignored my statements, I sat there in his cruiser and did not challenge or argue the citation. As an ex-military man, I know when to back off and let the elevated emotions subside, hoping that cooler heads will prevail.
I attempted to discuss the issue with the assistant DA of Rogers County, but she was beyond incredulous. She couldn't have cared less. But for a fee, she informed me, I could have requested from OHP to pull the Troopers dash cam. Of course, he was on vacation the next few days (after the citation) and the possibility of retrieving the tape was "not likely".
Was I a victim of circumsatnce? Perhaps. But these "circumstances" seem to be increasing in frequency, intensity and severity.
Do troopers have tough jobs? You bet. But so do alot of folks. Folks who don't act or treat others as seen in the situation with the EMT's. Here, the troopers self righteous, self-serving, egotistical, indignant and unprofessional behaviour should prompt changes in areas of training, tactics and situational awareness.
Should I have been ticketd? There's only two folks who know for sure. And only one has the authority to make a citation stick.
Should the EMT's have yielded the right of way? Again, only two folks know for sure. And, as before, only one has the authority to make a citation stick.
The difference between the two is mine was not captured on video for posterity's sake. Perhaps that was for the benefit of the troopers posterior...?
By the way, watch out for Trooper Hamilton in Rogers County. He has apparently taken the same "Professionalism in Law Enforcement" classes attended by Trooper Daniel Martin. Perhaps it's a requisite for all troopers?
My long term solution in avoiding similar situations (citations & choke holds) is to stop...IMMEDIATELY and INSTANTANEOUSLY!
I'll let the tropper explain to their supervisor why their patrol car is in my back seat. And I will pay the fee to have the dash cam tape pulled. It will make for great entertainment during the trial (which I'll request be a jury trial by my peers).
Thank you your honor, the defense rests.
The senior EMT has not only a duty to inform the officer of a patient status, but had he not and the patient died, he would've probably been charged for neglect of failure to inform the police officer immediately.
The police video is sufficient evidence of the EMT repeated notification of the patient status, and from that point the officer's action is unbecoming.
The officer had no right to choke the EMT supervisor, and particularly, the yeild incident lasted merely seconds and what law charges the public to act in mere seconds.
There's no law against the bird expression, that is giving the finger, even thought it's one word against the other, the fact remains is that the EMT did yeild when inform on the radio, that should've been that.
The police video shows the officer opening the back door of the ambulance and speaking to the patiet, and informing her that she would get to the hospital, and that is a major turning point.
The police department claims that he didn't know or register that a patent was being transported, yet the officer spoke directly to her, that is tandamount to fraud or inconsistency at best.
The driver was disagreeing with the officer, but did the officer choke the driver or try to arrest the white driver, just my direct observation.
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