Wednesday, May 27, 2009

 

UPDATED - Must see TV: Paramedic & troopers scuffle in Paden, Oklahoma. Traffic dispute takes priority over patient care. Read reports from EMS crew.

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June 16 update: Paramedic White says Trooper Martin should have badge and gun taken away

More STATter911.com coverage: Trooper's lawyer says medic is danger to the community; Dash cam video released; Fox News interviews EMS crew & Trooper Martin; Trooper on administrative leave; No charges filed by DA; EMT-B Paul Franks speaks out; Read statements from Toopers Martin & Iker; Troopers identified; Statements from witnesses and the patient; Reaction from police officers; Statements from EMS crew.

Read reports written by Critical Care Paramedic Maurice White Jr. and EMT-B Paul Franks

Watch the latest story from KWTV-TV

Read the latest story from KWTV-TV

Read paper by Maurice White Jr. on the state of EMS in Oklahoma

Watch the original story from KWTV-TV including interview with witnesses

Read orginial story from KWTV-TV

Some comments from Chief Billy Goldfeder in The Secret List (including Billy's video response to the incident)

This incident happened Sunday on Highway 62 near Paden, Oklahoma. A trooper with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol pulled over a Creek Nation ambulance as it was heading to the hospital with a patient. TV station KWTV-TV broke this story. KWTV-TV's Dave Jordan reports there is also dash cam video that apparently includes the alleged assault by the paramedic. That video has not been released.

STATter911.com has been in contact with the Muscogee (Creek) Nation Health System, the operators of the ambulance. Spokesman Thompson Gouge would only say the matter is under investigation, but on Wednesday evening Gouge passed along the statements of Critical Care Paramedic Maurice White Jr, who was treating the patient, and EMT-B Paul Franks, who was driving the unit. Click the link above to read their accounts of the incident.

Some details earlier today from our sister station WFMY-TV's website:

A scuffle between first responders in Oklahoma is caught on tape.

Highway Patrol troopers and a paramedic nearly come to blows while a patient waits to be taken to the hospital. The encounter was caught on a cell phone came by Kenyada Davis, the son of the patient in the ambulance.

The incident started when the ambulance failed to yield to state troopers en route to a call. Davis say the ambulance driver was trying to avoid hitting a car that slowed down and wasn't aware that troopers were nearby until it was too late.

After the troopers finished their official business, they pulled the ambulance over. A struggle ensued as they tried to arrest the driver.

According to Oklahoma Highway Patrol, the paramedics assaulted the trooper just before the fight broke out.

The Okfuskee County District Attorney's office is reviewing footage and could file criminal charges against the paramedic by the end of the week.


Comments:
The DA better cool some heads on the blue team.
 
Whereas we haven't seen the video from the trooper's dash cam (alleged assault by the paramedic)we can't jump to ny conclusions. It seems obvious that the trooper feels his "lights and sirens" trump everyone elses. I wonder how he would have felt if it were his wife or mother being transported? Would he have expected the same courtesy??
 
People fail to yield to us all the time and PD doesn't bat an eyelash, now they choke a paramedic with a patient in the back?

Priorities a bit askew Trooper?

The dash cam will likely show a frustrated Trooper and a frustrated Paramedic, both with higher priorities than this.
 
I can't believe this and then to see the trooper with his hand around the EMT's neck so as to start choking him. Suppose there was heart attack victim or more serious in the ambulance? Hope it's not the case but from the overall view it sure has the ingredients of racial tension in the community.
 
Lets keep in mind the location. Its still the rural south..and the EMT is black. I want to see the dashcam footage. For the record, Im white AND from Oklahoma so Im not telling tales out of school!
 
After seeing the footage and listening to the officers attitude, seems to me that a HUGE lawsuit will come out of this. Who was on the more important call? WHAT was the PDs call for? How could the officer assume that the ambulances call was less important than his? Was he trained to be able to do a medical evaluation from outside a moving ambulance? Seems to me that its another case of cops thinking they are GOD and forgetting who they work for. (the tazpayers). I hope that the family of the pt. will get a good lawyer and OWN the OSP. They walk around like they are some kind of Barney Fife in the old west.
 
Irreguardless of the slight that the Trooper obviously felt, the Trooper just delt a serious blow to interagency cooperation and he himself or one of his friends will surely pay for it later. Does one think for a minute that anyone in this agency will be in a hurry to help or care for one of these Troopers if they become injured.
 
"After they finished their official business"? How did they catch up with a responding medic unit? They must has driving at warp speed to do that. I'd be willing to bet they pull up on reports of fire and block out responding fire companies. This issue should have been taken care of at the receiving hospital AFTER the patient was at the ER.
 
Sorry,Didn't proof read my last comment. Line Three should have said; They must have been driving at warp speed to do that.
 
As a firefighter/EMT, this is VERY disturbing. I have the utmost respect for law enforcement but this crosses the line big time. Don't they know an ambulance out of service w/ a patient is "hands off"? It can be dealt w/ later in a more professional way than "roughing" up the tech.. This is totally uncalled for. At that point another ambulance should have been called to continue transport. That tech. was in no condition "mentally" to continue.

I too want to see the dash cam. As I see it now, if he did do something, he may have been justified because of their attitude and the way they made the stop. These officers need diciplined and I hope OSP gets their pants sued off. Definitely uncalled for.
 
WHeres all the cop champions now?? Even you guys see that this is unprofessional behavior by the copper. Gimmee a badge and I'm a tough guy. By the look of the size of that EMT--if he wanted to assault junior trooper, junior trooper woulda been spittin chicklets (teeth). That EMT woulda kicked his lilly white butt without even breakin a sweat. Hell they couldn't even choke him out, he just stood there and took it. I want that EMT on my team!!
Whne cops get in their cop mode they're king poop...not.
Hell I bet if that EMT was drivin down the road now and saw a cop gettin beat on a traffic stop, the EMT would still stop and help--Fire/EMS will always be the good guys.
 
As many have said we haven't seen the dash cam footage.

...and what's that going to show, a chest bump...a shove?

Ya ya...I know that qualifies as assault but....

IMO that medic deserves a medal for not losing it when the cop has his hand on his throat.
 
Why so bitter Mr. Policeman. Five more points and you might have been in that medic unit.
Firemen get chicks......stay in school kids!
 
Cops apply the law to everybody else but themselves. They feel they are above the law. There should be parade of fire and ems units around the state police headquarters in protest. and around state representatives offices. put those junior generals in their place. DROP THE ATTITUDE WE"RE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM TOUGHGUY.
 
Storm trooper looks like he would have recieved a royal beatin if the EMT didn't hold himself back from snapping out on him.
 
Having had personal experience with OSP troopers on an accident scene, I compare them to Oklahoma GESTAPO minus the swastikas. As far as any dashcam video... it will "get lost".

BTW, it ain't a racial issue, they are like that to anybody. Just watch the way the trooper swaggers away from the EMS operator.
 
The troopers were WAY off but the crew has some culpability here as well. I guess we have to see the rest of the video to see just what happened but I don’t understand why the crew stopped. That’s what the radio is for, ask dispatch to see what they want, take care of the patient, complete the call.
 
Oh wow .... hope they're building some McDonalds's in OK, because there are going to be some troopers flipping burgers before this is over, if there is any justice in this world.
 
My understanding of Texas law is that red and white lights (FD) yields to blue and white (PD/SO).

I haven't seen the dash cam, but boy do I want to. It does make one wonder what the driver of the box did to warrant such anger.

It would seem to me (and it looks like a lot of you) that the arresting/assaulting/frustrated officer could have issued the citation at the hospital.

I couldn't tell, and maybe the poster from Oklahoma knows, was this a transfer service, or a 911 dispatched medical call? And bonus points to the son for using the term, "my moms", that is a son who knows that this was going to be broadcast, and that although momma might be ill, she was going to kick his a$$ for not worrying about her first.

I wouldn't want a troopers job for the life of me, but this will certainly be used at the academy in discussions about, "How to Diffuse a Situation".
 
Dave, might want to review that pdf ... witnesses' phone #s are visible. Redacting required?
 
First off look at the legal description of an assault. An assualy is verbal only, if you touch the other party it becomes battery. So!!!!! I'll bet that the paramedic did assault the Trooper, he probably asked WTF did you stop us during the transport for, and the Trroper went up on his high horse because someone questioned his lousy judgement. Besides I'll bet the law says the same thing in most states and there is nothing about the unit having their lights on. The one thing that stands out is why 3 or was it 4 Troopers to stop an Ambulance and how fast was the Trooper going because that determines how close the Trooper would hve to be overtaking the Ambulance from behind. Mistakes get made everyday, so why the big issue.
 
As a FF/EMT that has lived in OK,
and as a Native American, I'm curious as to why the OHP thinks they can hassle a Creek Nation ambulance with a patient on-board.
Would they pull that with an AMR or other "white" service ?
 
There is not much that would justify the Troopers actions. Anyone who makes such poor decisions needs to find another line of work.
 
This trooper was clearly out of control, maybe the result of the adrenalin rush from driving code 3 at 100 mph. Whatever the cause, he needs to be doing something else for a living. Its obvious that its all about him, and not the public.
 
Texas Gordo, not sure where you got that info about TX law. According to info received directly from Texas DPS troopers during an emergency vehicle driving class, it doesn't matter what color of lights you are running...you are only asking for "permission" for the public to pull over. The color of lights has no precedent over another.
 
Without having seen the dash cam footage, I may be going out on a limb here, but from the footage available (from the patient's son), and the statements from the EMS personnel, it looks to me like the trooper was completely, totally, 100-per-centally (is that a word?) out of line. As a former cop myself, I cringed when I saw that display of "professionalism." Unless the trooper has a DAMN good reason for doing what he did, he shouldn't even be flipping burgers as a previous commenter suggested - he should be doing time. Lots of it.
 
This is just poor. I know we haven't seen the dash cam, but I don't care. Bottom line is, this stop had NO BUSINESS starting on the highway. Unless the Trooper felt he was stopping the ambulance from posing and eminent threat to life, then they need to A) Radio the dispatch to have the ambulance hold at the hospital for troopers, or B) follow them to the hospital and TALK about it there.
This is just stupid, should not have happened. And how important was that call the troopers were going on if ALL of them cleared and caught up with the ambulance?

To the comment above about transfer vs. 9-1-1 the news said the pt. was being transported to a hospital for heat related illness... so I'm guessing this was 9-1-1 based patient care (if it really matters).
 
speeking as a fire lt in pinellas county fl i hope to never visit Oklahoma...if the treat there own in "PUBLIC SAFETY" like that there's no telling what the might do to people out of uniform...MISSION STATEMENT
AND CORE VALUES

The mission statement of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol:

Working to provide a safe, secure environment for the public through courteous, quality and professional services.

To accomplish our mission and provide the highest level of safety, service, and security to the people of Oklahoma, and to assist governmental agencies during emergencies when requested, the OHP is committed to the following core values as the foundation of our pledge to public safety and service:

LOYALTY
HONESTY

RESPECT

INTEGRITY

PROFESSIONALISM

SELF-DISCIPLINE


all patrolman might read this before starting the next shift....God bless
 
I thought Police were taught to de-escalate situations like this, not escalate it to a total meltdown of rational thought. Its well known around our district that OHP is not easy to work with, had a few run-ins myself. hopefully some good will come from this across the state. Some cross company training would be a good start as well as some anger management classes.
 
I am a fire captain in Ohio and I am amazed how the medics were treated. I know that in Ohio you are required to have EMT in the back with the patient at all times during transport. If they would have arrested one of them how did the officers expected to continue a transport? I understand the officer being upset that he was grabbed, but did it have to get to that point? What makes law enforcement more important than Fire or EMS? Sure we get mad when they block access to a scene with their vehicle, but do we go off half cocked and get in there face? No we go on and do our job! And they wonder why there is a lack of respect for police officers. Just a few bad apples.
 
The police officer(s) in question are unfit for duty and should be terminated forthwith. Sadly this is not an isolated incident as police officers in many parts of this country have displayed unacceptable behavior. There was a time when tpolice officers were looked upon as protectors, neighbors and trustworthy. Today they are viewed as the enemy by many. As a fire captain I have encountered headstrong insecure police officers who feel the need to intimidate and threaten. The sooner we get rid of these goons the better.
 
I'd put money on the medic winning aginst the height challenged trooper .... take a look at the size of the medic, maybe thats why they had 4 super troopers?!?!? It is just plain out stupid what the troopers did.
 
Being a public safety person, this video actually makes me sick. Cops need to get a grip, they are not the only ones with emergencies to deal with. I cant tell how many times I heard the phrase "Let the red and blues get there first". All of us in public safety know that cops have medical gear and a rescue tool in their trunks so its utmost important they get there first.
 
Is it not a federal offense to interfere with the work of a public safety official, ie paramedic?
 
Bad Cop!! Blood sugar low Give em some D50 I mean Donut 50. Looks like the cop has little man disease!!!!
 
Those officers should be heavily disciplined. That could have been handled at the hospital after pt. drop off.
 
The rules in Indiana state that you must drive with due regard when operating lights and siren. If the ambulance was not pulling over then the police car should have waited for a clear place to pass before proceding. I have to pass people all the time when they don't see my lights and hear my siren. But if the officer had the time to call the ambulance on the air to complain then why didn't he just call on the air and advise him that he was approaching from behind running lights and sirens. Major screw up on the cops part and lack of good judgement. As others have mentioned he could have found out what hospital he was transporting to and met them there after the patient was turned over.
 
Being a Firefighter in N.C., I think the Troopers in this incident need to be fired, at the least. The Badge & Gun gives them way too much power. They could have dealt with whatever the problem was, after the patient was delivered to the hospital.

Patient priority comes first.
 
The cops are jealous because they can't pass the entrance exam to become a firefighter.
 
I am actually a firefighter in Oklahoma and have had dealings with the OHP before as well. It seems as if they( some of them ) walk around with their chest puffed out acting better than other emergency services. They need to realize we are all here to help our communities.
 
The cops are jealous because they can't pass the firefighters entrance exam.I have a sneaky feeling that boy was picked on in school.
 
I am a retired police officer as well as a former EMS worker. I hate to speak against a brother officer, but I clearly believe the primary officer in this incident was very wrong.

But first, I think there is a common misperception. It seems to me that the ambulance was enroute to the hospital without lights or siren activated. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the issue of whose lights had priority does not even come into play here. Second, it is also probable that the existence of a patient in the back was not known to the police until the stop was made. (But once the officers became aware of the patient, the 'discussion' should have been 'tabled' until after she was delivered to the hospital.)

We all know how frustrating it is for someone to not yield the right of way to us as we approach in emergency mode. However, there is a question as to whether the trooper had anything more than his lights activiated. Either way, it is reasonable to assume that the operator of the ambulance did not see or hear the approaching police vehicle. The officer should have escpecially given the driver of an EMS unit the benefit of the doubt in an incident such as this. Could he really believe it was an *intentional* disregard?!

There could very well be more that we are not aware of. However, I do not believe for a second that the medic "assualted the officer" before that video recording started. It seemed clear that no one had put hands on another until we witnessed it in the video. If the medic had committed an assault prior to the video, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have been in handcuffs before the video started.

In my humble opinion, this is clear example of an officer significantly over-reacting. It should not have happened. But even once it began, he should have had enough sense to back off and let the patient go to the hospital before any further action was taken. If the trooper is not suspended, I will be extremely surprised.
 
There is no reason this shoulda happened. This cop shoulda just called the station or amb. company and made a complaint.To escalate it that far and act the way he did .... he should lose his job! Whooptie do he was going to a call to help county out well dumbass an ambulance isn't going to just drive around for no reason...... and so the battle cont. between us firefighters n medical vs. "du du dunnn" the COPS!
 
It's not at all uncommon to see cops pull childish nonsense such as this. Many are badge heavy and feel that they are the ultimate authority at all incidents. In many cases, cops endanger victims as well as emergency responders due to their zeal to be in control.
 
As a paramedic I've had a few run ins over the years with these God complex cops. Trooper Fife should be terminated and charged with interfering with EMS. If that had been me I'd probably be fired myself for kicking his dumb---.
 
Working in the same field with ALS I find this situation extremely upsetting. Troopers should have escorted the ambulance to the hospital and dealt with them there.
To choke an EMS worker who was with a patient in the back is just morally wrong.
I applaude the EMS team for not loosing their cool. Troopers should get a grip before someone dies in the back of an ambulance over situations of stupidity.
 
In CA we have a rapid transit police officer mistakenly shoot a downed suspect and later said he thought it was his taser weapon. ....wonder what excuse this trooper will use for assualting the EMS driver? Hurray for video when the truth gets distorted.
 
Unreal. What a petty, childish mess. Deal with this later, in the appropriate manner.

Not on the side of the freakin highway like a overzealous teenager.

*Note- I have been a Cop, and am an EMT and Fire Captain.
 
What a sad childish way to handle this situation. Kudos to the Medic for not beating the crap out the moron choking him. Excessive force there for a man who is backed up against and ambulance with open hands arms at his sides.

Funny, I don't remember that in the Force Continuem from the academy!!! I think that Trooper should be severely disciplined for that manifest lack of judgement and breach of self discipline.
 
I have been a police officer since 1996 and a law enforcement instructor for a little over 6 years. Additionally, I have been a volunteer firefighter since 1988 and an EMT for about as long. Regardless of what other information exist, almost every use of force policy strictly prohibits the use of choke holds. In this case, the trooper was not in any danger, on the contrary, he appeared to be the aggressor. FORCE is used to effect an arrest, not to punish individuals for doing things that angers the officer. This is just one more incident that will take away the public trust that law enforcement despirately needs in order to be effective. It would be a tremendous lapse in judgement for the Highway Patrol to not termanate the trooper. He clearly does not possess the restraint nessicary to be a professional.
 
Sort of gives a new meaning to white trash!
 
Just a question here. Who was with the patient when the Paramedic got out of the back to talk to the officer? That is abandonment in the state where I practice, probably is in Ok also.
 
Shocker...the most recent story has OSP circling the wagons to protect the trooper. They didn't even take him down. PG would have put everyone in timeout until this mess got sorted out (i.e- Someone with common sense asks the trooper WTF was going thru your head)
 
Unfortunately, this type of behavior by police comes from the academy where they are taught to always be in control of a situation. That is necessary for police to survive. However, some officers don't have the capacity to be able to discriminate between the bad guys and the good guys; they just treat everyone like s**t. I have seen troopers who are extremely professional and others that have treated old ladies that have been in crashes and are being treated by EMS like they were total criminals. Bottom line: Don't let the actions of a few bad cops ruin the reputation of the majority of cops that really care and do a great job. Maybe we just need to do a better job of screening applicants to make sure they don't have head problems.
 
If these retarded troopers treat an emergency service professional in this manner, imagine how they treat low income civilians! Note to troopers-next time you take a dump, inhale through your nose. Your sheet does stink. I'd go back to the Doctor that performed my trooper labatomy and ask for my frontal lobe back.
 
I have been a police officer for over 20 years. Very few times in my career have I ever been ashamed of my profession. Today I am. To all the Fire EMS personnell out there understand that mistakes are made in every job. The vast majority of Police in my area walk arm in arm with the Fire EMS personnell. We appreciate what you do and enjoy working with you. See this for what it is and as an isolated incident.
 
I doubt there will be dash cam footage patrol car was in front of the ambulance, creative positioning of the camera?
 
Until the "Dash Cam" footage appears we have to go with the families video which shows the trooper is wrong. My main concern about this is the last line from the news report

"The Okfuskee County District Attorney's office is reviewing footage and could file criminal charges against the paramedic by the end of the week."

This seems to give the impression that the DA has already decided that the Medic is wrong while the Trooper is right.
 
It does not matter if the Ambulance did not yield the right of way.
Mistakes are made, and more than likely as stated the EMT was attempting to avoid a car that stopped in the street, and simply did not see the OHP officer who was probably running at 100mph with lights and no sirens as they often do.
Every day people fail to yield to officers, medics, and fire. When is it ever ok to chase them down and choke them into submission.
This officer needs to be fired and criminal charges brought against him.
As a provider of EMS in Oklahoma I am ready to rally the troops in a show of support at OHP headquarters to let our feelings on this known.

That officer is a danger to the community if he will treat a fellow provider to this sort of abuse for no apparant reason.
 
Choking a medic Hmmmm, patient en route to hospital unnecessary delayed Hmmmm I wonder what call the cops were going to? I says lets give these cops an Darwin award.
 
Is anyone in the fire service who has had to deal with troopers in any state really surprised ?
 
I am an EMT and have been passed by emergency vehicles in the ambulance before. With everything going on, and keeping an eye out for all of the other crazy drivers, and radio traffic, you don't always hear sirens especially when they are driving at "ludicrous speed". It's not like you can see them in your rearview mirror and can whip over in the other lane...not to mention throwing around your partner and patient in the back.
 
As an EVOC instructor in Illinois, this makes a perfect scenario to use for instruction.

I support the EMTs 100%, but some advice for the future.

While my advice may not be to the letter of the law I would advise my students that their first priority is to themselves and the patient.

Once the EMT-B realized the trooper was attempting to pull him over he should have had his dispatcher call their dispatcher to acknowledge the attempt and advise that the EMS crew will make themselves available only after pt care has been transferred, and only in the presence of an EMS Supervisor as well as a shift Supervisor for the Troopers.

As much as I support the EMT-B he never should have pulled over on the highway.

M.A.B.
Illinois EVOC Instructor
 
That paramedic didn't look like any slouch to me. In fact, I'd pay to see that "tough guy" trooper meet up with that paramedic one day off duty. That is when he doesn't have his badge and gun to hide behind and three of his cop buddies standing there to scream at the guy while he chokes him out. All I have to say is this is why cops get such a bad rap. These guys are piss poor professionals who should be fired. Why don't you guys stick to harassing poeple who aren't wearing their seatbelts and directing traffic at construction sites.
 
As a firefighter/medic, I'm sure glad I don't work in Oklahoma. I can't believe the actions of the OSP officers. No we haven't seen the dash cam. footage, somehow I don't think we ever will. From the evidence available I think some OSP officers should be FIRED. Police aren't above the law
( although it appears the OSP officers disagree ) The medic and pt. family should all retain lawyers. Does anybody know where we can voice our opinions to the heirachy of OSP ?
 
"Is it not a federal offense to interfere with the work of a public safety official, ie paramedic?"

Yes, it is.
 
this is why cops get such a bad rep...there actions and to pull over a medic unit...absolutely uncalled for there should be charges placed on PD
 
Biggest gang in town......wear badges and carry guns.
 
Everyone is paying such close attention to the end of the video, but watch from the beginning. The paramedic inside is being the smartest one there. He stays inside with his patient, only opening the back door to calm the pt's son down and advise him to just "stay out of it". Again, he asks the son to just stay out of the conversation and keep his mother calm. Why the officers EVER said he was under arrest, I have no idea. On top of that, all clips of the officer's exchange with the driver were calm while the officer was yelling in his face. This does not look good at all for them.
 
What does the state statue say about priority while en route with lights and sirens. In my state one emergency vehicle is not supposed to allow another to pass unles in direct radio contact. PD does not usually have priority. I think the cops should be fired now and that the Medic who was being choked should file a lawsuit and recieve a just compensation for being the victim of a police assault. Dumb cops
 
GOD MADE FIREMEN SO COPS COULD HAVE HEROS!!!!! Some cops think they are all that....here in the south they are a joke....get to a scene they are more worried about putting up crime scene tape than clearing the house.......they don't care about us unless they want to pawn a patient off on us......and I wonder how some are able to function on a normal level!!! Watch out police boys....screw with the medics if you want....we are the ones that will end up saving your ass in the end....or if you pull a stunt like this....we make not be on our "A" game!!!
 
Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends?!?!

Glad in my parts of Maryland I work around, Cops and Firefighters get along famously. May get a tad annoying when we're in the back dealing with a serious patient and they're bugging us for info... but on the whole cops in MD get along great. Shame shame shame on Oklahoma.
 
Hey Dave

Can you get the radio/CAD information for those incidents on both the police and EMS side. I'm curious to see what call the OHP was responding too and some of the radio traffic. Most should be under Freedom of Information Act, right?

Hopefully the Troopers are under felony investigation as well by the DA. Perhaps even a civil lawsuit against are brothers in blue for this one.
 
It's a shame that a few bad apples make the rest look bad. I'm fortunate to work for a Department in FL that has a great working relationship with FHP, our County S.O. as well as the city and village P.D.s. The best action would have been to find out what Ambulance was in the area from the Ambulance Co. Supervisor and dealt with the 'transgression' later.
 
I've been a paramedic for twenty years and a law enforcement officer for nine years. Seriously, these officers are out of control and need to be reprimanded accordingly. It's obvious that they used poor judgment in affecting a traffic stop on a loaded ambulance, followed by more poor judgment going "hands on" with the EMT - and not following through with an arrest (not that one was warranted in the first place).
 
Police Officers are trained to de-escalate situations, and paramedics are usually a higher medical authority that police officers must submit to under most state laws. I am a former paramedic and attended a police academy, and law enforcement's thug attitudes are not professional. Just because you have a gun and badge does not make you King Kong. This cop needs to be terminated and banned from law enforcement. He put the patient in the ambulance at risk and could have followed the ambulance to the hospital and dealt with the driver AFTER the call was over. But no, this cop had to initiate a stop, escalate the situation, and show a violent attitude that was not appropriate given the circumstances. This should used as training tool to demonstrate what not to do.
 
Hopefully this sad case is used in all probie academys and EVOC/EVDT training programs.

Its amazing how cool we must be when a patient spits at us and now we have to deal with LEO's choking us after they already assaulted the Paramedic.
 
PARAMEDICS STAND WITH OUR EMS BRETHREN!

SUPPORT FROM THE NEW YORK CITY AREA!
 
Link to patient's statement, Mrs. Stella Jordan who live in Boley,OK.
http://www.fox23.com/media/news/2/1/2/212d4099-cf84-4626-ad61-90e1f7c58586/Patient_Statement.doc

Interference with Emergency Medical Technicians or Care Providers - Punishment
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69279
 
The officer choked someone who was not under arrest.

I don't care what you say about who had the right away. A man got choked and WASN'T under arrest.

They weren't capturing a suspect or criminal here. They were choking a human being.

If there was a dispute over who was wrong, it seems they would get to the hospital first then work it out without violence or aggression after the woman was transported safely.

Stopping on the side of the road wasn't PROTECTING and SERVING this woman's interests.
 
I may be wrong, Just a theory. Like a lot of officers, this one probably just got back from Iraq or something and is still in that “mode”. Roughing up Iraqi civilians is not at all frowned upon. You pretty much have to do whatever is necessary to get them to understand that you are in control and they just need to shut the heck up. Stopping ANY vehicle is normal and if they don’t stop, you shoot it. Seems like some PTSD to me. If I am wrong on this theory, than that cop is a real A** and needs to be behind bars.
 
If there was a scuffle that is captured on the dash cam, then why didnt the officer subdue the medic at that time, instead of waiting until what seemed several peaceful moments later. I have been to many situations involving an officer and assailant, and the officer once started in a scuffle, either subdues the assailant, or would be subdued by the them. There are a lot of questions to be answered there.
 
Maybe some Federal Marshals should show up with a Warrant for Trooper Martin on Federal Civil Rights Violations Charges!! Oklahoma would then promptly quit clowning around!!
 
Every time I think i have seen it all something like this comes along. Hey police officers wake up everyone has a camera phone now. How many of these videos of cops acting worse then any criminal do we have too see till they wake up. I hope the family and the EMT sue the hell out of the OHP. Intersting that that the guy the cop beats up and the family in the ambulence are both black. Maybe this officer have problems with people of color
 
I have lived in Oklahoma my entire life and this type of behavior is not surprising to me at all. The police here show mercy to NO ONE. I honestly think Oklahoma law enforcement believes they are above the law. I recently saw a video on my local news a few weeks ago about how police break traffic laws, after that I did an experiment counting how many police officers followed the law while driving. Out of nine law enforcement vehicles, only TWO (motorcycles) used there blinkers as far as I followed them. And one even turned on his lights, sped through a stoplight and turned his lights off shortly after. I am not afraid to say that I am ashamed of the law enforcement in this state. There is much more bad in it than good.
 
O.K. Dave you really need to keep us posted on this one. And how do we voice our opinion to the proper authorities.
 
Just think if the patients son didn't record this altercation. It would have been brushed aside. Does thing kind of Super Trooper mentality go on often out there? Wow.
 
the cop is breaking the law in over 3 different ways, LIFE ENDANGERNMENT. how can that be right
 
Start firing these cop clowns who think they're above everyone else. More ridiculous police state B.S. attitude from ignorant rednecks
 
It's not a "redneck" problem, it's a law enforcement problem. Any group doesn't think they're above the law, but actually thinks they ARE the law, tends to abuse the power. You'll find the same story in every town and every jurisdiction around the globe. And by the time Obama gets through taking the guns away from the citizenry, what chance will we have to standing up to this kind of abuse?
 
This may have been answered elsewhere, but why did the EMT unit stop at all? What would the trooper have done? Pulled a Felony Car Stop? Done a PIT manouever? Shot out his tires?

Seriously, the EMT driver should have called his dispatch told them some maniac highway patrol was trying to stop them and asked for intervention and a highway patrol supervisor to meet them at the hospital.

Once that trooper saw the EMS was en-route with a patient, he should have apologized for delaying them and walked away. Period.
 
This just shows how bad officers sworn to protect have gotten in over their heads. Even if the emt flipped the officer off, the altercation could have waited until the ambulance arrived at the hospital. I hope the officer looses his badge for the unprofessionalizm he displayed. When will the harrassment end from these officers that want to feel like they are above the law..
 
It is good to read the very competent and Professional conversations taking place here between highly trained and skilled citizens. It is/was an honor to visit this site. God bless all that serve!
Jay
 
What's funny is I see more COPS on the road speeding and driving illegally without their lights than Ambulances. Look at when a cop takes off to go write a ticket, they usually speed up really fast to catch the person, and then throw on their lights when they get right up behind them. That is illegal, if they are going to speed to catch someone, they need to throw those lights on, and 80% of the time never do until they have gotten up to the person. Those cops are hypocrites, and if your cop you know it happens all the time.
 
I am currently employed with the Georgia State Partol, what happened was unacceptable I do agree. But when that radio comes out that one of my fellow officers are shot down I would hope that EMS would 10-76 EVERY AND ALL units WORKING to the location. What these men and wemon do everyday to protect us will never exceed the expectation of other citizens..But I would expect better from fellow troopers.
 
In my state the Trooper will have Abuse of Power chargers against him. It is also a felony to interfer with the care of a patient during an emergency. Yes, I am a paramedic with a father that was a Georgia State Patrol Trooper for 20 years.
 
Highway Patrol is the bottom rung of society, they have less class than homeless people, is anyone expecting anything higher out of them. I'm surprised we don't hear more stories of how many accidental deaths occur because of them.
 
As unbelievable as it sounds I myself have been pulled over by that officer and he was not the most friendly individual I have encountered. After seeing this he truly deserves some hard time where im sure he will be getting manhandled and choked nightly by his "over friendly" cell-mate.
 
We in Emergency Services are a "family" and I have to say, this is totally uncalled for. I have never had a police officer stop me and proceed to choke my parter for any reason and I hope in the future I never see that. We have a very stressful job and for something like this to happen is just unheard of. And the trooper is not going to be charged?? So, does this mean when I am in the ambulance, and I have someone that won't "yield" or give us the "right of way", I have the right to jump out of my ambulance and go choke THAT person!!!! Really!!!! I just hope that police officer doesnt need an ambulance any time soon, just for the mere reason, we would be drippy sweet and show him that we are not bad people and I would make sure that a police officer stopped me on the way to the hospital so that we would be delayed while I was working to save his life.. and that delay from being stopped could cause his family to collect on a life insurance policy. I am glad OUR police officers look out for us and treat us nicely. Kim, LA CCEMTP, NREMTP, AEMD, Pilot
 
The paramedic had every right. As Crew chief of the ambulance it is his responsibilty to ask why he is being pulled over. It was not right, for this medic to be pulled over and as the crew chief I would have instructed my partner not to stop. Dispatch would have been contacted and My patient, my truck, and the crew would have made it to the hospital. Also the Trooper states the ambulance failed to yield. It seems to me that he tried. They are not the smallest thigs to move over to the right. Maybe the trooper should try it one time. If it were the troopers mother, wife, dauther, or son in the ambulance I bet he would not be behind the ambulance pulling it over, but in front leading the way to the hospital. To the crew of the ambulance, good job.
 
I'm a EMT in Arizona and in my state you are not allowed to run code 3 on the freeways. That being said, if Oklahoma is the same way then there is no way for that officer to have known if there is a pt. on board that rig and never should have stopped them. Anytime that there has been an incident with Phoenix PD they have contacted our dispatch and dispatch has relayed to us that we have to hold at the hospital for PD....Besides we're trained not to stop. PATIENT CARE COMES FIRST
 
I believe these Troopers were out of line by reacting the way they did. But with that being said I think people need to remember that we can't group every Law Enforcement Officer together. Remember the ones who have come to your aid and treated you with respect. For every good officer I'm sure there is one out there just waiting to get out of line but I don't believe they should all be grouped into one category because just like everyone else there are gonna be the bad apples.
 
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