Wednesday, May 27, 2009
UPDATED - Must see TV: Paramedic & troopers scuffle in Paden, Oklahoma. Traffic dispute takes priority over patient care. Read reports from EMS crew.
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This incident happened Sunday on Highway 62 near Paden, Oklahoma. A trooper with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol pulled over a Creek Nation ambulance as it was heading to the hospital with a patient. TV station KWTV-TV broke this story. KWTV-TV's Dave Jordan reports there is also dash cam video that apparently includes the alleged assault by the paramedic. That video has not been released.
STATter911.com has been in contact with the Muscogee (Creek) Nation Health System, the operators of the ambulance. Spokesman Thompson Gouge would only say the matter is under investigation, but on Wednesday evening Gouge passed along the statements of Critical Care Paramedic Maurice White Jr, who was treating the patient, and EMT-B Paul Franks, who was driving the unit. Click the link above to read their accounts of the incident.
Some details earlier today from our sister station WFMY-TV's website:
A scuffle between first responders in Oklahoma is caught on tape.
Highway Patrol troopers and a paramedic nearly come to blows while a patient waits to be taken to the hospital. The encounter was caught on a cell phone came by Kenyada Davis, the son of the patient in the ambulance.
The incident started when the ambulance failed to yield to state troopers en route to a call. Davis say the ambulance driver was trying to avoid hitting a car that slowed down and wasn't aware that troopers were nearby until it was too late.
After the troopers finished their official business, they pulled the ambulance over. A struggle ensued as they tried to arrest the driver.
According to Oklahoma Highway Patrol, the paramedics assaulted the trooper just before the fight broke out.
The Okfuskee County District Attorney's office is reviewing footage and could file criminal charges against the paramedic by the end of the week.
Priorities a bit askew Trooper?
The dash cam will likely show a frustrated Trooper and a frustrated Paramedic, both with higher priorities than this.
I too want to see the dash cam. As I see it now, if he did do something, he may have been justified because of their attitude and the way they made the stop. These officers need diciplined and I hope OSP gets their pants sued off. Definitely uncalled for.
Whne cops get in their cop mode they're king poop...not.
Hell I bet if that EMT was drivin down the road now and saw a cop gettin beat on a traffic stop, the EMT would still stop and help--Fire/EMS will always be the good guys.
...and what's that going to show, a chest bump...a shove?
Ya ya...I know that qualifies as assault but....
IMO that medic deserves a medal for not losing it when the cop has his hand on his throat.
Firemen get chicks......stay in school kids!
BTW, it ain't a racial issue, they are like that to anybody. Just watch the way the trooper swaggers away from the EMS operator.
I haven't seen the dash cam, but boy do I want to. It does make one wonder what the driver of the box did to warrant such anger.
It would seem to me (and it looks like a lot of you) that the arresting/assaulting/frustrated officer could have issued the citation at the hospital.
I couldn't tell, and maybe the poster from Oklahoma knows, was this a transfer service, or a 911 dispatched medical call? And bonus points to the son for using the term, "my moms", that is a son who knows that this was going to be broadcast, and that although momma might be ill, she was going to kick his a$$ for not worrying about her first.
I wouldn't want a troopers job for the life of me, but this will certainly be used at the academy in discussions about, "How to Diffuse a Situation".
and as a Native American, I'm curious as to why the OHP thinks they can hassle a Creek Nation ambulance with a patient on-board.
Would they pull that with an AMR or other "white" service ?
This is just stupid, should not have happened. And how important was that call the troopers were going on if ALL of them cleared and caught up with the ambulance?
To the comment above about transfer vs. 9-1-1 the news said the pt. was being transported to a hospital for heat related illness... so I'm guessing this was 9-1-1 based patient care (if it really matters).
AND CORE VALUES
The mission statement of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol:
Working to provide a safe, secure environment for the public through courteous, quality and professional services.
To accomplish our mission and provide the highest level of safety, service, and security to the people of Oklahoma, and to assist governmental agencies during emergencies when requested, the OHP is committed to the following core values as the foundation of our pledge to public safety and service:
LOYALTY
HONESTY
RESPECT
INTEGRITY
PROFESSIONALISM
SELF-DISCIPLINE
all patrolman might read this before starting the next shift....God bless
Patient priority comes first.
But first, I think there is a common misperception. It seems to me that the ambulance was enroute to the hospital without lights or siren activated. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the issue of whose lights had priority does not even come into play here. Second, it is also probable that the existence of a patient in the back was not known to the police until the stop was made. (But once the officers became aware of the patient, the 'discussion' should have been 'tabled' until after she was delivered to the hospital.)
We all know how frustrating it is for someone to not yield the right of way to us as we approach in emergency mode. However, there is a question as to whether the trooper had anything more than his lights activiated. Either way, it is reasonable to assume that the operator of the ambulance did not see or hear the approaching police vehicle. The officer should have escpecially given the driver of an EMS unit the benefit of the doubt in an incident such as this. Could he really believe it was an *intentional* disregard?!
There could very well be more that we are not aware of. However, I do not believe for a second that the medic "assualted the officer" before that video recording started. It seemed clear that no one had put hands on another until we witnessed it in the video. If the medic had committed an assault prior to the video, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have been in handcuffs before the video started.
In my humble opinion, this is clear example of an officer significantly over-reacting. It should not have happened. But even once it began, he should have had enough sense to back off and let the patient go to the hospital before any further action was taken. If the trooper is not suspended, I will be extremely surprised.
To choke an EMS worker who was with a patient in the back is just morally wrong.
I applaude the EMS team for not loosing their cool. Troopers should get a grip before someone dies in the back of an ambulance over situations of stupidity.
Not on the side of the freakin highway like a overzealous teenager.
*Note- I have been a Cop, and am an EMT and Fire Captain.
Funny, I don't remember that in the Force Continuem from the academy!!! I think that Trooper should be severely disciplined for that manifest lack of judgement and breach of self discipline.
"The Okfuskee County District Attorney's office is reviewing footage and could file criminal charges against the paramedic by the end of the week."
This seems to give the impression that the DA has already decided that the Medic is wrong while the Trooper is right.
Mistakes are made, and more than likely as stated the EMT was attempting to avoid a car that stopped in the street, and simply did not see the OHP officer who was probably running at 100mph with lights and no sirens as they often do.
Every day people fail to yield to officers, medics, and fire. When is it ever ok to chase them down and choke them into submission.
This officer needs to be fired and criminal charges brought against him.
As a provider of EMS in Oklahoma I am ready to rally the troops in a show of support at OHP headquarters to let our feelings on this known.
That officer is a danger to the community if he will treat a fellow provider to this sort of abuse for no apparant reason.
I support the EMTs 100%, but some advice for the future.
While my advice may not be to the letter of the law I would advise my students that their first priority is to themselves and the patient.
Once the EMT-B realized the trooper was attempting to pull him over he should have had his dispatcher call their dispatcher to acknowledge the attempt and advise that the EMS crew will make themselves available only after pt care has been transferred, and only in the presence of an EMS Supervisor as well as a shift Supervisor for the Troopers.
As much as I support the EMT-B he never should have pulled over on the highway.
M.A.B.
Illinois EVOC Instructor
( although it appears the OSP officers disagree ) The medic and pt. family should all retain lawyers. Does anybody know where we can voice our opinions to the heirachy of OSP ?
Yes, it is.
Glad in my parts of Maryland I work around, Cops and Firefighters get along famously. May get a tad annoying when we're in the back dealing with a serious patient and they're bugging us for info... but on the whole cops in MD get along great. Shame shame shame on Oklahoma.
Can you get the radio/CAD information for those incidents on both the police and EMS side. I'm curious to see what call the OHP was responding too and some of the radio traffic. Most should be under Freedom of Information Act, right?
Hopefully the Troopers are under felony investigation as well by the DA. Perhaps even a civil lawsuit against are brothers in blue for this one.
Its amazing how cool we must be when a patient spits at us and now we have to deal with LEO's choking us after they already assaulted the Paramedic.
http://www.fox23.com/media/news/2/1/2/212d4099-cf84-4626-ad61-90e1f7c58586/Patient_Statement.doc
Interference with Emergency Medical Technicians or Care Providers - Punishment
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69279
I don't care what you say about who had the right away. A man got choked and WASN'T under arrest.
They weren't capturing a suspect or criminal here. They were choking a human being.
If there was a dispute over who was wrong, it seems they would get to the hospital first then work it out without violence or aggression after the woman was transported safely.
Stopping on the side of the road wasn't PROTECTING and SERVING this woman's interests.
Seriously, the EMT driver should have called his dispatch told them some maniac highway patrol was trying to stop them and asked for intervention and a highway patrol supervisor to meet them at the hospital.
Once that trooper saw the EMS was en-route with a patient, he should have apologized for delaying them and walked away. Period.
Jay
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