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Not the greatest parking spot for the engine company.
 

the look on the lineman from the first engine was like "great, another first due fire". I guess they are a little use to it.

yep not the best parking job, but hey kudos to the construction crew for trying to move the stuff out of the way.
 

Actually it was a very good spot for the engine. You can't see it but he is located at a hydrant and, since it is a corner building, the tower ladder had access to both the front and side. Good stretch, fast knockdown, nice job by all concerned.
 

Look, nobody running around. Everybody doing only their job. Must not be Kentland, no glory seekers! Just real professionals,
 

The engine is in the correct spot - in this case the engine takes the curbside and the aerial the outside - if the building had been over 6 stories then the aerial would need to go for reach and be curbside with engine on the outside - also as you see the tower postioned with it's turntable at the corner to reach for both sides - if the aerial had been placed where "the pride of midtown" E54 parked what was it going to do? the aerial wouldn't have even been able to swing past the building as the turned into it - the bed section is longer than the sidewalk is wide.

Go back to your tickhouse and think about it. or maybe read - both of the apparatus placements metioned here are in basic IFSTA books - yea the ones you never read "Aerial Operator
 

That would not be the spot that I would have picked for the tower. Engines shouldn't block truck spots to take a hydrant. Basic. Nice quick knock, but IMO not a good spot for the engine. Use a gutter line, or whatever it takes, but leave priority positions for the truck. Plenty of hose on those engines.
 

Overall nice job. However, I thought FDNY were the truck company masters. Not many ground ladders on that job.
 

Bravo "Aerial Operator"...right on the money...apparatus placement was on target and the job was done with professionalism....great job 54!
 

The engine had poor apparatus placement. You should always leave the sides of a building clear for the truck company.

They could have either laid out from another hydrant coming into the scene, or they could have laid out from the hydrant and drove past the building (they have enough hose to still reach the fire from there, and that would clear up the entire side for the truck company).

Though, they shouldn't take a hydrant so close to the building on fire, mainly in case the fire got out of control and the event became a defensive fire.

So, not only did they park the engine in a poor location, they made a poor choice in selecting a hydrant to use.

As for that being a textbook IFSTA procedure...exactly...those IFSTA books are too heavily influenced by "firefighters" who sit behind a desk, and not firefighters who are doing the job.

For how big the building was, and with it having multiple floors, there was a lack of ladders in place.
 

"Lay out"?? Do you have the slightest idea of how the FDNY operates...they dont lay out JAFO!
 

It was a corner building. E54 took the 2 side of the building, leaving the 1 side for the truck. TL 21 was placed where it was supposed to be, to reach both sides of the building. Also it was on the 3rd floor, not many portable ladders needed. Those of you who do not work for the FDNY should keep quiet, b/c you dont know what you are talking about. We have done this many times before, so I think we got it.
 

Nice job by both engine and truck. My guys would have done the same. And who in the world lays out?
 

why dont nyfd lay out most of the usa do when they have some of fire showing just asking
 

Great job by the FDNY quick nock down, Engine and trucks placement to a tee. To all you Vollies that think the way you fight fires in the sticks is the way you do things,is not the way a city does things. I know my fathers retired city and i'm a vollies captain. again good job guys
 

Sorry about the sarcasm with "laying out". What most of you call laying out we in Camden call laying in. It is infact our protocal to do so whenever possible. But sometimes it just does'nt happen that way. Maybe there was a report of people trapped! Maybe no visible hydrants on the way in! I still say nice work!
 

This is what I describe as disecting a gnats ass. Good job FDNY. Mike McCool Phila. Fd Capt. (retired)
 

Wondering about laying out? NYC is a completely different scenario. They had over 2,000 structure fires in the month of August. www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/fdny/html/stats/citywide.shtml Imagine packing up that much hose - and how many buildings would burn down while you're doing it!

That doesn't take into account fighting around parked cars and scaffolding and every other obstacle along NYC streets and sidewalks.

There's certainly more that can be said, but I'm keeping this short.

Kudos to the folks who are doing "just another job in the day".

Female Volly from NJ
 

This is what we do in NYC. Pull up,
stretch a line and go in and put the fire out while the truck is searching and venting. S.O.P.

FDNY retired
 

Thank God for our American Heroes Firefighters. These are men and women who get up every day prepared to lay their life down for others. God Bless them and they did a great job here.
Tom McLaughlin
Retired Coast Guard
 

"Also it was on the 3rd floor, not many portable ladders needed. Those of you who do not work for the FDNY should keep quiet, b/c you dont know what you are talking about." Quoted from Anon.

sorry i forgot most ppl enjoy jumping out of third floor windows.
 

Did they put out the fire? I would say so. To those with negative comments stay outside and take pictures. Those who say the most know the least.
 

Looking at this I am reminded of what my Dad did everyday as a fireman and officer, while we were safe at home. Is there any doubt that firemen are the best humanity has to offer? There is a special place in heaven for all you guys who walk through walls of flame, eat smoke and fight the elements every day...AND THINK NOTHING OF IT! Looking at the comments, this seems like "no biggie" for most of you, just another day at the office. I have renewed respect for my Dad, (who I already adore) who did this every day for decades. Thank you for all you do for the citizens of New York. You are all to be respected and admired, you are a special breed, indeed. May God keep you all safe in his pocket each and every day,every call.
Marie T.Brady
 

Ideal positioning for the engine apparatus would have been passed the entrance to the building. However, the backhoe that was moving around may have prevented the apparatus from moving to the next hydrant. Position of apparatus allowed for possible use of the apparatus mounted deck gun for a quick knockdown if warranted. What was a cardinal sin was the last guy out of the rig not closing the crew cab door! That's the bane of any apparatus operator.Probably a young firefighter with something else on his mind at the time, like stretching a line. Job well done, everyone went home.
 

It was the 2nd floor where the bulk of the fire was... there was a little bit of extension to the window frame of the apartment above.

Bread and butter job. Nice work.
 

looks like a good spot since it is hard to tell where the entrance to the building is.the side eng 54 is on has a fire escape on it twr 21 can reach both the side and the front if need be.kinda hard to be a armchair qb to a dept that does it everyday 365 days a year. keep up good work fdny and stay safe
 

Great job FDNY!

The problem stems from the lack of fire sprinkler systems in these older buildings, not FDNY's procedures.
 

this fire was a mid day fire on september 11... a friend of mine is a firefighter on Truck 4