Monday, May 26, 2008

 

Six FFs hurt in Virginia house fire. Two remain in burn unit. Cause of fire & sequence of events released.

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This picture and the others on this page are from neighbor Diana Stumm

Above is the early morning 9NEWS NOW report by Scott Broom. Click here for the 11:00 PM report from Brittany Morehouse.

Wednesday, June 4

While the Loudoun County Department of Fire, Rescue and Emergency Management has not officially identified any of its firefighters injured on May 25, the most seriously injured has been named as part of fundraising efforts.

Firefighter John Earley is a career firefighter and is also a member of the Leesburg VFC. Leesburg Chief Ian Buchanan has asked STATter 911 to help get the word out about the John Earley Relief Fund. It is an effort to help FF Earley and his family during the long recovery that's ahead.

Checks can be mailed to:

The John Earley Relief Fund
c/o Leesburg Volunteer Fire Company
P.O. Box 23
Leesburg, VA 20178

If you go to the Leesburgfire.org you will find a way to pay by credit card.

On the site you will find details about a June 28 dance where the proceeds will go to the fund.

Also, there is a June 21 blood drive at Station 1 from 9:00 AM until 2:00 PM.

4:30 PM, Tuesday

Only one firefighter remains hospitalized at the MedStar Burn Unit of the Washington Hospital Center. The remaining firefighter is the one who suffered significant burns and at last word was in serious, but stable condition.

8:00 PM

Only two firefighters remain in the hospital. The firefighter who was at Lansdowne and one of the three firefighters at the burn unit have been allowed to go home.

One of the remaining firefighters at the burn unit is in serious, but stable condition with significant burns. The other is listed in stable condition.

Excerpts from a press release issued just before 5:00 PM:

“The road ahead is going to be challenging for our firefighters,” stated Loudoun County Fire-Rescue Chief Joseph Pozzo. “On behalf of the Loudoun County Fire-Rescue system, we wish to thank all who have extended their support and well wishes. Something of this magnitude has a far reaching impact on all of us within fire-rescue. It is comforting and reassuring to know that there are many out there who are standing by us during this time.”

Around 1:00 PM, Sunday, May 25, 2008, Loudoun County Fire, Rescue and Emergency Management received a 9-1-1 call for a structure fire in the 43000 Block of Meadowood Court in Leesburg.

Fire and rescue personnel arrived on the scene to find heavy fire coming from the attic of the two-story single-family home and the fire was quickly spreading. Firefighters went to work to quickly to perform a search of the home and to initiate fire attack. However, with the fire spreading and conditions deteriorating rapidly, the firefighters were forced to escape from the home through a second-story window. In the process of escaping, four firefighters were injured.

The rest of the release has information from the previous release that you will find below, including the address for the DC Firefighter's Burn Foundation.

3:30 PM:

According to Loudoun County Fire Marshal Keith Brower, Sunday's fire that injured six firefighters was accidental. Brower said Monday afternoon it was caused by smoking materials left on the back deck.

According to Brower, once the wooded deck began to burn it spread "upward and inward". Damage to the home is estimated at $600,000.

Brower tells STATter 911 they are still working on the exact sequence of events leading to the firefighters being injured. At this point, Brower says the best information is that there was a sudden increase in the fire, possibly a flashover. The firefighters called a mayday and rapidly exited the home. It appears after they were out, the roof collapsed.

Brower confirms our earlier report the roof structure was a lightweight truss with gusset plates and the floors were help up by dimensional lumber (possibly 2 X 10s or 2 X 12s).

Brower believes the more substantial floor assembly may have prevented a more serious problem for the firefighters. He says, with no second floor collapse, it also made investigator's jobs easier in searching for the cause.

2:15 PM:

A press release was issued this afternoon by Loudoun County Fire, Rescue and Emergency Management with an update on the conditions of the firefighters. As warned by the department's spokesperson earlier in the day, the identities of the firefighters are not being officialy released, nor are the station assignments (the release does say where two injured volunteers are members). Here is a copy of the release:

Press Release
3 Firefighters Injured in Two-Alarm Fire Remain in Hospital

Three of the four career members of the Loudoun County Department of Fire, Rescue and Emergency Management who were hospitalized yesterday due to injuries sustained during a two-alarm fire on Meadowood Court, Sunday May 25 remain at the Washington Hospital Center Burn Center at this time.

One of the firefighters is listed in serious, but stable condition and the other two are listed in stable condition. The fourth firefighter is scheduled to be released from Lansdowne Campus of Inova Loudoun Hospital Center today.

The fifth firefighter, who was treated and released from the hospital yesterday, is a volunteer member of the Sterling Volunteer Fire Company. The sixth firefighter, who was checked out at the scene yesterday, is a volunteer member of Loudoun Rescue.

The cause of the fire, which resulted in extensive damage to the home, remains under investigation by the Loudoun County Fire Marshal’s Office.

Anyone interested in making a donation on behalf of the injured firefighters, may do so through the DC Firefighter Burn Foundation. Persons may make donations by check or through PayPal.

DC Firefighter's Burn Foundation
PO Box 71056
Washington, DC 20024

www.dcffburnfoundation.org

Previous coverage:

A house fire in Loudoun County, VA has injured six firefighters. Two of the firefighters were flown by helicopter to the MedStar Burn Unit at the Washington Hospital Center. A third was later taken by ground to the Burn Unit after initially being transported to Loudoun Hospital Center at Landsdowne. At 9:05 PM on Sunday, all three were reported in serious, but stable condition.

Two other firefighters with lesser injuries were also taken to the Landsdowne facility. One was being held overnight for observation. The other has been released.

Another firefighter was treated at the scene.

The injured are a mix of career and volunteer firefighters. Loudoun County officials did not release names of the firefighters, identify their companies, or provide any details on the injuries Sunday night. At 10:30 AM on Monday, Mary Maguire, a spokesperson for Loudoun County Fire, Rescue and Emergency Management said this information was not likely to be released today.

It wasn't until about 8 hours after the incident occurred before Maguire could acknowledge the firefighters were being treated in the burn unit.

On its website, IAFF Local 3756 has a report from Secretary Nicole Hankin that two of the injured were on Tower 606 and the other two from Reserve Engine 6.

Mary Maguire said the house fire assignment was dispatched around 1:00 PM on Sunday to 43,238 Meadowood Court. The neighborhood is located east of the Town of Leesburg and north of Route 7.

Maguire said the first units went on the scene with fire in the attic and discovered a rapidly spreading fire on the second floor. No residents were home at the time of the fire.

Other than to say that the four who are currently hospitalized were all involved in interior firefighting when they were hurt and were forced to rapidly leave the structure, Loudoun County officials are declining to talk about what is known, so far, about the circumstances of the injuries.

The other two who were hurt were apparently injured later in the operation.

Sources familiar with the incident tell STATter 911 there was early word the roof came in as initial crews were operating on the second floor. Sources added on Monday that the exact timeline of when the roof collapsed is not yet clear. What is certain in all accounts is that conditions rapidly worsened forcing firefighters to retreat.

The most seriously injured firefighter was seen suddenly exiting a second floor window with flames all around him. Reports are his gear and facepiece suffered significant heat damage. According to sources the firefighter was able to talk with crews who treated him until the medevac helicopter arrived.

According to sources, the firefighter has significant burns, but the PPE seems to have worked well and the injuries are not quite as severe as originally thought.

Maguire did confirm while there was a mayday call, all firefighters made it out on their own and did not have to be rescued.

A second-alarm was dispatched.

While we initially reported the home is of lightweight construction, that is only partially correct. According to sources, the attic is a lightweight truss with gusset plates and failed pretty quickly. But the second floor is held up by solid beam, dimensional lumber.

The IAFF Local 3756 website has this statement from Chief Joseph Pozzo:

I ask that each of you keep our brothers and sisters in your thoughts and prayers during this time. This is going to be a long process for all of us and it is important that we work together to not only provide support to the families, but to support one another. We will provide updates on the events as they unfold through the Loudoun Career Firefighters Association website http://www.iaff3756.com/ and through the County's Email system. Updates will also be provided via the Tandberg System Monday, May 26 @ 9:00 AM. It is imperative that each of you stay focused on your own safety, too. Should you need any assistance, you may contact CISM at either 703-737-4110 or 703-777-0320.

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Comments:
To the firefighters of Loudoun County, Virginia, we will be keeping all of you in our thoughts and prayers as you go through these tough and trying times. Stay safe and let us know if you need anything (we are right down the street from your injured brothers).

Engine Company 4
District of Columbia Fire Dept.
"The Hornets Nest"
 
While I feel bad that these FF's were injured and I wish them a quick recovery. I wonder why they were in those conditions with no one in the house. When there is heavy fire in the attic, collapse is usually always imminent with 20 minutes. The fire service needs to start taking a defensive mode earlier, so that everyone may go home the same way they came in. No heroics for property only!
 
How about we worry about our fellow brothers and sister who were injured doing their JOB instead of pointing fingers about why they should or should not have engaged in interior firefighting? I am assuming you were not there and therefore do not know what conditions they encountered or what actions they were taking when this unfortunate event occured. I am sure the whole incident will be investigated and the findings will be released for the service to learn from, but for now lets show support for LCFR and our fellow brothers and sister. Stay safe and get well to the injured members!
 
Amen Brother.
Right now it does not matter how. We just need to pray for our hurting family members. Our thoughts are with them all
 
When do we talk it about it? When its too late and someone else gets burnt or killed. I do support them. I have been in the fire service for a long time and I am horrified by what has happened to these men and woman.

There are too many fire commands that do not read the building and pull their people out until its too late. Yes we lose buildings, but they can be replaced. These FF's have families. Wake up!
 
mr newcomb,

i refuse to engage in a debate with you while there are much more important issues( i.e. injured members and their recovery). however if you wanted to make a generalized educational statement, you could have simply reminded everyone to be cognizant of building construction and building materials and how they potentially react to fire and potentially contribute to fire spread. the well being of the firemen(and women) involved in this incident is paramount and that is what we should be discussing within this time frame(less than 24 hrs. after it occured), not trying to place blame and making ASSUMPTIONS about things you don't have the full details on! Stay safe!
 
To my brothers in the service I wish you a speedy recovery.

FF/EMT Alex Wilson (former Leesburg resident)
EMS 1st LT
Eureka Volunteer Fire and Ambulance Company
Stewartstown PA (York County Station 54)
www.eureka54.com
 
Mr. Mackay and Capt Bud,

I have to side with Mr. Newcomb on this one. What he said is completely valid and something that we all need to stop and think about. I too am concerned for the brothers from LCFR who were injured, but what happened to them is done. The reality is that someone else is going to run the same call either today or tomorrow and maybe by asking these hard questions and discussing these issues now, we might be able to prevent the next tragedy. What we do is dangerous and we cannot engage in battle without engaging our brains first, that includes engaing our brains to discuss these issues. We need to learn ALL we can from EVERY incident that we run; especially one with a tragic outcome such as this one. We do NOT need to delay learning to show support for our fellow firefighters. If we do, we might be mourning another unnecessary loss.

Clearly, all of us wish things had gone differently for LCFR yesterday. But the real question is, are we brave enough to risk hurt feelings and bruised egos to look at this hard and take away some real lessons that could save a life? I am sure that if you asked any of the men at Medstar, none of them would ever want anyone to go through what they are going through. Getting all emotionial and feeling bad for them after that fact is not going to help the people who run the next one of these fires.

We just suffered our own serious event just over three weeks ago in Montgomery County. Luckily, the three firefighters are all home recovering now and we look forward to their return to work. Unfortunately, they will all have scars for the rest of their lives. We were lucky that the firefighters did not lose their lives that night. Hopefully, we all learned from what happened in that incident as well and hopefully we will continue to learn as the investigation continues and more details and facts come out.

We look to these events to try to learn and get better at what we do, not to put people down or place blame. If we are afraid to try to learn, then we will continue to repeat our mistakes and the pain and suffering and loss of life will continue...and that would be a true tragedy.
 
i am pretty sure that my earlier statement, "however if you wanted to make a generalized educational statement, you could have simply reminded everyone to be cognizant of building construction and building materials and how they potentially react to fire and potentially contribute to fire spread." was intended to address a potential contributing factor. also i stated earlier, that i am sure a formal investigation with pubicized results will occur so that the fire service as a whole can learn from this. as of right now, less than 24 hrs. after the incident occured, i believe that is all you can legitimately discuss pertaining to the operation, because all of the facts have not and will not be released or known for some period of time. stay safe!
 
Unless one was there and knew what was going on, ie. reports from neighbors, cars in the driveway, kid's bikes and toys on the lawn, one should refrain from making comment. Anybody can "Monday morning quarterback"...

To the Brothers of the LCFR... thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery.
 
This is not Monday morning quarterbacking. This is about getting better at what we do. This is about honoring their sacrifice by learning from their situation.

I don't think anyone would argue that we need to know all we can about building construction. We all need to do a good size-up including, when feasible, a lap of the building. We all need to be adept at rapid risk-benefit analysis. We all need to be proficient at developing solid tactical plans with appropriate contingency plans.

Using incidents such as these to reevaluate how we are doing what we do and to refocus and sharpen our skills is entirely reasonable and should be the norm. Doing so brings to light such dangerous thinking as looking for "cars in the driveway, kid's bikes and toys on the lawn" and then potentially using those observations as justification for a high-risk search before the fire is under control.

Go drive around your neighborhood and see how many houses have a car in the driveway and toys in the yard. Do you think someone is home in all of them? I seriously doubt it. All cars and toys indicate is that they own a car and the kids won't pick up their toys. That is it. No surprises there, right?

Again, my thoughts and prayers are with those injured firefighters, their families, friends and coworkers. However, if we are going to stick our heads in the sand (or somewhere even less pleasant) and pretend like something didn't go wrong yesterday, then we can expect to get more of the same. We can wait the months and months for the formal investigation to determine all of the facts and clarify all of the timelines, or we can start learning now. For me and my shift, we will start learning now.
 
I think right now we should focus our thoughts and prayers for the speedy recovery of these personnel. There will be a time and place to critique the incident and the actions taken, but for now let's leave that alone as these people have a long recovery ahead of them. Mike Peck, Lieutenant, PGFD ( Retired)
 
I wish the injured brothers a speedy and full recovery. And to Mr Newcomb you sound similar to the "firefighter" who wouldnt have gone in period. The men that went in were "fireman" doing there job. You seem to forget that not only do we saves lives but we protect property as well. Yes something the average joe on the street might not be able to comprehend. Imagine if we rolled up on your house and said, "heck were not going in". And you had irreplacable things in your house that you cherished. Those things through a quick agressive interior attack can save things like that. We all know as in this situation things can change suddenly. You can wonder why all you want and comment from the lawn all you want, but the point is they were doing there job and knowing a few of these fireman personally I can assure you they knew what they were doing.
 
On behalf of myself and Station 4 ENG. 2977 MBFD NJ, our thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery to the brothers of LCFD VA.in these unfortunate times !

I would also like to state that as a fire service we HAVE LEARNED, over and over again that building construction is our worst enemy not the fire ! Through training we have learned to contain and control fire but we have failed to contain and control the construction industry that builds the homes and buildings we are challenged with each and every day. We have failed to vote in favor across the board to have new construction sprinklered knowing its potential when on fire. Yes we look to find answers for WHY and HOW? That only lies in changing building construction, materials, and adding sprinklers ! Until THAT HAPPENS we will still see this all to familiar scenario play out. The toughest part of our job is the decision that sends our family to the hospital or someone elses and then their family asks why? The answer,BUILDING CONSTRUCTION !!
Respectfully Capt.D Sampson
 
First of all, for the members of the Loudoun County FD, our thoughts and prayer for a quick recovery. As for the comments by Mr. Newcomb, there is a valid point for looking at the incident. We all learn by every incident, by or department or others that go on across the country. Our job is dangerous, proterty is the second priority of our job. I do not have video of the begining of the fire, the time delay of dispatch nor what the scene looked like with the first arriving companies. For the most part, an aggressive fire attack is the best way to provent more damage. With attic fires we have a chance to do fire attack with salvage. We can do everything right and things can still go wrong, unforeseen hazard, whatever.

So yes, this is a dangerous job and no we don't like to risk life for property. But lets not comment on what our brothers did until all the facts are in.

Be Safe and Train hard.
 
My prayers are with all the Loudoun County firefighters, of which my son is one. Our profession is one of danger and with it comes a certain amount of risk. With all our training and precautions that we take there are still things that go bad that we can not predictI encourage all of you and ask God's blessing upon you as you continue to protect the lives and property of you jurisdiction.

Joe Hartman
FF/Chaplain
American Township Fire Dept.
 
Craig Newcomb and Troy Lipp,

Would you all expect someone to be home on a Sunday afternoon? I would think it is logical. Was a lap made? Yes! So now what? Wait out in the front yard and hope no one is home!
Sure property can be replaced, but we still have to protect the lives of the citizens that pay our salaries (remember the Lorton, VA Incident?). Firemen have dangerous jobs, if you are unwilling to accept the risk find alternative employment.
 
There is a time for heroics and there is a time to stand back and say "lets play it safe this time". NOT ONE SINGLE OBJECT in that house is worth the life of a FireFighter. NOTHING! This light weight construction needs to cause each and every fire officer to re-evalutate how they fight fire. Be conservative! Risk little to save little, risk a lot to save a lot.
 
Ya'll should be ashamed !!!! This is not a place to post a debate. This is a place to post support to the Brothers and their families and fellow crew members.From your brothers in Florida we are praying for a quick recovery process during this most difficult time.
 
We are praying for all the brothers and sister injured in Loudoun County. Get well Soon

Earl Boswell
District Chief 6
Hanover Fire & EMS
 
PLEASE STOP! My god, again the american fire service as we know it hits another low point. SIX FIREFIGHTERS WERE INJURED! Lets show our support and stop with the BS. How can any of you judge what actions were taken during this incident? None of us were there! WE ARE FIREFIGHTERS...IF I COULD SCREAM AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS RIGHT NOW I WOULD! FIRE FIGHTING IS INHERENTLY DANGEROUS, BUT THIS IS WHAT SOME CHOOSE TO DO! I realize this is a lightweight constructed home, but again..... WE ARE TASKED WITH SAVING LIVES! IF WE NO LONGER GO INSIDE WE CAN'T SAVE ANYONE! Now don't get me wrong, there is a time when we can no longer go into a structure, however all of the damage you see at this fire was mostly done after the firefighters were injured. The roof was intact until after the injuries were sustained. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAD A LIFE WHERE DANGER CAN BE BEHIND ANY DOOR, THEN DON"T BE A FIREFIGHTER. I realize this will mean you can't walk around telling the opposite sex how heroic you are, but it is a life that few will be able to fulfill. We (as a fire service) have lowered our standards to the point of the modern day firefighter. SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY, we preach it everyday, yet..... we are still killing the same amount of firefighters every year. This all for the past hundred years! 1950- 119 firefighter deaths, 2007- 106 firefighter deaths. IT WILL ALWAYS BE (AGAIN) AN INHERENTLY DANGEROUS WAY OF LIFE!! A simple "We are keeping you in our prayers" should be all that is posted here by all of you. Leave the learning and debate to other forums and training discussions. This is not the time nor place. Same on all of you!
 
too many comments from the yard breathing fire association. To Mr newcomb and Lipp. Imagine if you were at work on a sunday and your house was on fire. Maybe your family is out or maybe there home. Doesnt matter. How would you feel if the mentality you have towards this fire was that of the firefighters responding to your home if the same situation occurred. Thats the difference between being a firefighter and a fireman. You too sound like firefighters. You know those guys that are in firehouse magazine that get heroism awards. There usually the ones who crawled through thick heavy smoke and heat to reach a child or someone else. See thats risking there own life even if it takes some burns or injuries because there fireman. So wake up and take your booksmart mentality to the classroom. Its got zero to do with being a streetsmart fireman.
 
Everyone needs to read go to the loudoun, va fire dept website and watch and read the investigative report. In response why they decided on an interior tac, is they were not informed by dispatch that no one was at home. They also were not informed that the fire was also in the sunroom on the first floor. As they made entrance into the house they went up to the second floor becuase that is where they thought the fire was. Their training and PPE proved to be their lifesavers. Also, they have only seconds to mintues to make decisions, not hours, days, or months. Respect their courage and do not infer that they should have never done an interior tac. You would be singing a different tune if they had not performed interior tac and a person or persons had died in the fire. Continue to keep them un your prayers, as they continue to heal and understand and improve.
 
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