Friday, April 25, 2008

 

This just in: Statter is a fraud

Here is a comment that was sent twice on Friday and was posted:

Mr Dave Statter, I am upset that you called yourself a former Volunteer Firefighter, and a Cardiac Technician, when in fact you only signed up to be a volunteer but never rode or took any classes, and there is no record of no EMS training at MIEMSS department. You are alway trying to report stories on firefighters, carrer or volunteer because you think you know, how about WE, or other news department do a story on your background as a so call Volunteer Firefighter/EMT-C, that would be news for your rivals. I will supply them the records.

Don't you know that all of my records burned up in the Great Baltimore Fire of 1904? Oh no, I'm sorry. I am confusing myself with FireGeezer.

Seriously, please share the records you have of mine that you say don't exist. I will be glad to print them here. Or, if you would like, contact me and I will give you the name of a good investigative reporter (not a hack like me) who can help you break this story wide open.

Comments like this to STATter 911 seem to crop up when I report on a controversial story. Unless they are profane, I always print them. It is important that we be as transparent as possible.

I am sure there are others who have questions about my connection to the fire service in Prince George's County, MD. It is now ancient history. So, let me try to fill in some blanks to help out my friend who has kindly written to STATter 911.

I joined the Oxon Hill Volunteer Fire Department (Station 21) in about March of 1974.

Your first tip: If you want some scandal to report about me, I rode fire trucks and went into burning buildings before getting any formal training. I also treated patients on ambulance calls without even having a first-aid card. In those days I wasn't alone.

I later took Fire School (I believe, but could be wrong, that was part of the University of MD Fire Service Extension) with either Don Bornman or Frank Holmes. I know I took a class with each of those fine gentlemen, but can't remember which class was which.

I also recall taking various other short courses, seminars and classes. One FSE class was Special Fires. My instructor in that class was Keith Fairfax, a long time member of the Bay District VFD in St. Marys County.

I took EMT in 1975 or 1976. Among those in the class was Laurie Gilman, then a volunteer at Clinton, who later worked with me at Prince George's Fire Communications.

I delivered a baby before even getting to that training in my EMT class. Lucky for me I was reading ahead and got to that chapter while sitting at Rosecroft Raceway on standby about an hour before the call came in.

In 1976 I became a Prince George's County CETA employee as part of the first group of civilians to work at Fire Communications. That later became a full time position. I worked at 5012 Rhode Island Avenue until 1979.

In 1976 or 1977 I was a sergeant at Oxon Hill. That lasted until career firefighters at Communications found some rule that precluded me from holding a rank higher than I held in the county, or some similar nonsense. I was ordered to relinquish that post and never held another line officer position. I was a member of the board of directors for a few years.

If you need it for your story, I can show you my picture as a board member that appears in the book for the 1979 Prince George's County Volunteer Firemen's Association Convention. It was held at Oxon Hill that year.

Another tip: Visuals are good when putting together a story like this.

Somehow they lost their minds at Oxon Hill, or were desperate, and let me start driving the fire trucks. My driver's training and much other training came from Jimmy Barnes, who was then assistant chief or chief at Oxon Hill.

Jimmy retired as a captain from PGFD a few years ago. I emceed his retirement banquet. From all the nasty things I said about Jimmy that night, he should be primed to give you plenty of dirt on me. I believe you can find him sitting in a rocking chair in front of the Mechanicsville Volunteer Fire Department waving to the traffic as it goes by. You can probably find more nasty stuff about me from his brother Tommy at Accokeek.

There are scores of other members at OHVFD from 1974 to 1980 who can tell you the good, bad and ugly about me. I could give you the names, but a good investigative journalist will probably want to develop some independent sources.

Another tip: That convention book has a lot of names.

In 1977 I was chosen to be part of the first class of Cardiac Rescue Technicians in the county. Our training was at Prince George's Hospital. In fact, there is a picture of me in The Washington Star with other members of that class during our training. It actually has my name in the caption. So it is either me or some other ugly guy with a beard that looked like me and has the same name. Again, if you need that for your story, I can find it.

Also, sometime during our CRT training, PGFD Chief Jim Estepp asked me participate in a two-part "Town Hall" meeting on Channel 9 produced by Rich Adams. The topic was the delay in getting medic programs started in the Washington area as compared to Baltimore. Gordon Peterson and Bob Strickland hosted the programs.

It was the first time I met Rich and was the beginning of a wonderful friendship. It was also my first appearance on Channel 9. Rich used to have the tape of those shows, but I lost track of it after he passed away. This might not be available for your expose. Sorry.

By the way, for some unknown reason, to this day, I get confused with Rich Adams. For the record, I have met Rich Adams, and I am clearly no Rich Adams. At fire service events people often call me Rich or ask me how things are at BCC. He was a small, black male. I am a taller, white male. Go figure.

My partner for the beginning of the CRT class was Jack Snoddy. Sadly, it was discovered during the class that Jack had a terminal illness. I worked with Jack at Communications until he passed away.

Sorry that so many people who can verify my history are no longer with us. I know it doesn't help your story and probably makes you even more suspicious.

One person who was in that class and is still around is Tom Carter, then a member of Bladensburg. There were also two or three people in the class from Laurel Rescue Squad.

I took the Maryland CRT exam at Montgomery County's training center. I passed it. I got a plastic card saying I was a CRT. If you need it, I am sure it is somewhere. I also still have one of a number of blue shirts they gave me with PGFD and CRT patches. The shirts seem to have shrunk quite a bit. Cheap stuff.

When we completed our class, there were no medic units to ride. The career CRT class followed the volunteer class. I recall helping out in their training for one or two classes.

I believe the medic units hit the streets in the Fall of 1977. They were staffed by two career CRTs. The volunteers rode along as extras.

I rode a few shifts with Medic 2 at Silver Hill and I believe a couple of shifts with Medic 1 at Brentwood. It was clear that important partnerships were developing with the medic crews. While everyone was nice, I felt like an outsider and decided this wasn't for me. I much more enjoyed spending my free time at Oxon Hill.

Another scandal: Dave wasted the county's money on training he barely used.

I have no clue what documentation the state of Maryland has or doesn't have on me in reference to my EMT and CRT status (nor do I much care). You apparently do, so feel free to share it with the class.

If it will help you with your investigation, I do have a folder with various paper work covering my time in PGFD and some albums with a fair number of pictures from Oxon Hill. There is also picture that a lot of people have showing the first group of civilian dispatchers.

About 15-years-ago a friend of mine recalls seeing my personnel file from Communications. All he told me is there were a number of nasty notes from Al Goode, who was then Chief 49. It was kind of a badge of honor to get one of those.

I believe I also have two audio recordings of radio traffic where my voice is heard. One is of me riding the front seat on a natural gas explosion and fire on Alice Avenue that went to a second-alarm.

The other is an audio recording that my friend Bob Marbourg of WTOP Radio made years before we met. It is from a deadly explosion at Lee's Tavern in Hyattsville. I was working the Channel 1 radio that night.

Back in the Stone Age we didn't have cameras everywhere like today or the ability to get fireground audio off of the Internet. So I can't help you with much more documentation than what I have offered so far.

I make no claims to being even a decent firefighter, EMT, CRT or dispatcher. All of that would be for others to judge.

Hope this gives you a starting point for your story. I wish you good hunting. I am sure there is some dirt to be had. I can tell you I wasn't an angel.

One final tip: Find out what happened after the party County Executive Winfeld Kelly threw for those of us assigned to Communications. This was to thank us for the summer we spent working out of the county bookmobile while they remodeled our facility. Now that's a story (I am the only one who didn't call in sick the next day).


Comments:
Dave, I had that problem with the county issued workshirts also-they managed to shrink over the years of my career. I can vouch for your accounting of when you worked at the Communications Division and when the first medic units went into service-those were events long ago, but they were also some of the best back then. Lt. Mike Peck PGFD ( Ret.)
 
Thanks Mike. Good to hear from you. Agreed that there were some wonderful people who served the public well.

Statter
 
Dave.... I can say that my pops(mike hicks) told me of several times you and him ran calls together at OHVFD..

Dave Talbert...
 
Thanks Dave. And you will find pictures of Mike and Dave Hicks in that same convention year book.

Statter
 
Hahahahaha ... those of us who ran back in the late 70's don't really exist, it's true. Boy do those names bring back some memories. You might want to sic those crazy Barnes brothers on the snotty little wannabe that did all of that "research" ... hehehe.
 
Tommy tried to kick my butt when I first joined. He soon realized he had someone who liked to stir as much turmoil (had to clean it up) as he did.

The two of us did everything we could to make Jimmy's short stint as Chief 21 as exciting and memorable as possible.

It has all been downhill for Jimmy since Elvis died and he found out Fonzie wasn't real.

Tommy also suspended me once when he was assistant chief. We were out with the wagon at a member's house off Oxon Hill Road. We thought there was a truck crew in the station. We responded to a 42 box and the truck scratched.

He suspended me even though I was the driver. Said I should have known better. I think the suspension lasted a day because we were short of drivers.

I have never forgiven the guy. Yes, please tell him this snotty little wannabe is calling him out.
 
Dave, I check-in several times a day. Thank you for all that you have done in the "trenches" over the past years, and for all of the great work you continue to do. Don't let the "little people" cloud your wonderful efforts or cause you to doubt your contributions.
Captain (Retired Arlington County,Va Fire/EMS)
 
Dave, I am not sure who this idiot is that made those comments but he must be smoking so good stuff.That year we spent in that trailer was just more fun than a picnic with ants. I am sure this jerk who made the remarks wasnt born when you were in P.G. I also have some of those shirts that wahts you get for low bid
Battn commander P.G.F.D. bert shaffner
 
Thank you Bert. Bert and I got to know each other when he worked as the Staff Operations Officer. Bert has kindly sent me some wonderful archival material about lightweight construction that one of these days I will put on STATter 911.

I believe we were in the bookmobile during the spring and summer of 1978. It was a horrendous time. Extremely busy, with some major and tragic incidents. The incidents included two police officers shot and killed in our building, a firefighter killed in a fire truck wreck, an extremely violent thunderstorm and a major train wreck that injured many. I worked them all except the last one.

Bert,somehow we got all of the calls out. I will write some details later about that.

Wonder if anyone has a picture of our little dispatch center?

Statter
 
To the retired Arlington captain, thanks for the support. Don't worry, I am too bullheaded or stupid to let it get to me.

I think it is important for people to ask questions and for me to provide the answers. Doesn't offend me in the least. If people have doubts about my past or anything else, the should ask.

Statter
 
Love the snark, Dave!

The original poster sounds like just another peachfuzz 2/20 who thinks he eats flame, and spits out thunderbolts. The silly little child is under the delusion that the fire service began when he joined, and will end with HIS generation. I'll bet a paycheck he has a sixteen-thousand series I.D. number t'boot.

What a waste...the poor fool probably expended a good THIRTY MINUTES doing his "research" before shooting off his mouth. H's clearly part of the generation that believes if you can't "google" it, it must not exist.

Now you know the "quality" of rumors mongers running on the watchdesk, and just how far these silly little bobbleheads will spin the hampsterwheel in their own personal conspiracy theory factory.

Its kind of sad...Just think..if the child only spent as much time taking classes as he does on the watchdesk, he might just learn to do more than bitch and whine.

You know what the REAL sad part is? In many stations, THIS is what passes for the future of the fire service.
 
Dave -

I wish I was around to partake in some of the activities that you guys experienced back in those days! Yes I am a Young buck - One from the generation that one of your Bloggers referred too! Nonetheless, I appreciate the knowledge and the stories that you (the people that never rode a call) have pasted down over the years, "Engine 381 to Pepco"!!! Yes, I am a "Volunteer Member” at "CHAPEL OAKS VFD" (station 838) for 15 years now and I embrace the good, the bad and the ugly(s)of our station and county. However Dave, my comment to you is, please continue to be the good (non-firefighting/CRT) "Reporter" that you are! We need it. Although there are times when I don't share your views or comments, there are times when I do. However no matter the case, I use your stories as either food for thought or a learning opportunity of what to do and/or what not to do (because we're never too old to learn). For the record I have transported a working code (A child) to the Hospital one the engine. So thanks for being just who you are!

As to our fellow brother/sister that commented on Mr. 817/DC E4 - Wagon Driver's incident, I think that you should consider that, "he just may be a guy that is pulling you out one day" (that is if you have ever rode a call before)no label of career or volunteer, just, “HELP”!!!
"DAVE HOW COULD YOU!!!
 
Take it from me, Dave, investigative reporters hate to be proven wrong. They can't stand coming up dry!

It never ceases to amaze me how firefighters do and say things because "I have a job to do", but when it comes to a reporter "having a job to do", most firefighters think that they are out to humiliate us am make us look bad.

Sounds like you put this slug in his place! Good job.

JK
 
Dave; I suffered through many years of reports of discord by folk's who claimed they knew the truth about EMS and the internal workings of it in the DC Fire Department in THE DAY!. You want to break some real news? Ask the Fire Chief for the now DC Fire and EMS Department, why the Supervisor of record for the indivisual who was held mostly accountable for the Rosenbaum Case was never intervied by any of the internal investigators or the IG? You might ask why the reports that the indivisual was not meeting her obligations had not been acted upon until after the tragic death of Mr. Rosenbaum occured. You might also ask why the preformance evaluations where changed and who had ordered them to be changed. Just a few thoughts that the new Fire Chief who values his reputation,I am sure won't want to come up after he has left; with all these loose ends that where never tied up. Saved the citizen's of DC NOT! The Fire Department of this city should have never incurred the damage that was caused by this one incident. No hard working Fireman, or doing the job civilian EMT should have ever had to suffer the insult on our reputations. Look into it. Gain some credibility! Tell your co-hort's to do the same! Love Ya Babe!
 
Dave,
You can obviously tell by the mispelled words an incomplete sentences that this person is special. He probably is 45 years old and lives in his mother's basement. Wait, that is about of the volunteer Chiefs in Prince George County. So many enemies, so little time!
 
Boy... the last 30 years of my life just flashed before my eyes... Don Borman, Laurie Gilman, Jim Estepp, Rich Adams, Tom Carter, Bob Marbourg, Mike Peck, the Barnes brothers, Bert Shaffner (Shaffners Ponds!!), Elvis... the only one I didn't see was Barney Rubble! Rhode Island Avenue - worked as a volunteer dispatcher there... when the little conveyor belt would bring a burning (literally) dispatch card to indicate this call was a worker!!

...and 381 to Pepco... let's not forget "I'm not exactly sure where I'm at, but I'm at the corner of walk and don't walk".

Well - sooner or later, we all move on, as the hills of West Virginia called me... some other education system needs to call your original poster - he obviously needs the grammatic help...

Marc Bashoor, PGFD, Lt. Col. (Ret) (ok - even though I was only promoted for 18 days before I pulled the parachute)
 
Hey Dave,

I think you have only given the nay-sayers more incentives to attack you by responding. I've seen you do this on other forums as well. I would highly recommend avoiding these types of attacks in the future. Keep doing what you do by providing a great service to Fire & Rescue personnel.
 
He Dave, I went in the attack and found my fathers class list's (Don Bornman) and sure enough there was your name with a P for pass beside it. My father when alive had some nice things to say about you in his class. Also I have an old picture my dad had of him and a dispatcher of the old communcations at 5012 Rhode Island. you can have a copy for your book. Keep up the great work
 
Kellie,

You shouldn't bring facts into a discussion like this. They just get in the way.

You are too kind. I remember your dad fondly

Statter
 
Dave,
marc mentioned the coveyor belts, I think it was bob hudson who light one of the cards on fire and sent it to the dispatcher.Also do you recall when they were closing down hyattsville and moveing to the present location finding a card with a house fire that was never dispatched?
Chief 49 was a real trip, one thing Snoody said one time was "I should go up there and bite him and give him what I got" he must have done it. chief 17 who called back and said he was on the scene and there was no 13th floor in this 15 story building
as he looked at the elevator panel.
I will have to make a note of things that occured in the past for time like this. Do you recall Geoge Ruck?
 
The converyor belt. I just mentioned it in a talk I gave two weeks ago for the staff of Fairfax County's 911 Center. I pointed out that burning cards on the conveyor belt is something you just can't do with CAD.

George Ruck was the morgue wagon driver of the mid to late 70s. If I am not mistaken, prior to George, some people at Communications (then Headquarters) would drive the morgue wagon.

My favorite morgue wagon goes like this. We had a floater on the Potomac in Oxon Hill. Our best access was a little dead end stub off of Panorama Drive. It lead to a little hill or cliff taking you down to the river (you know someone should really think of developing that piece of land).

I believe I was driving the wagon or squad and was up above as the crew was carrying the body up. The morgue wagon was already there.

I don't think the body was covered, or it was barely covered.

I kindly told a group of onlookers standing around with kids that they might not want to see this.

A little girl of about 5 or 6, standing next to her pregnant mother, pipes up, "That's okay, my daddy drives the morgue wagon and he lets us see the bodies all of the time".

Bashoor, face it, you wanted to grow up and be just like me. Interning at Channel 9 and volunteering at communications.

Ny favorite all time transmission was from Chief 17. It was the night time fire at the film vault in Suitland (not the spectacular and much larger day time fire which I believe was later). Jim Mundy just finished reading the various properties of the nitrate film to Chief 17 over channel 3. There was a mention of toxicity. Chief 17 replied, "That's all right, I think we got the toxic knocked out of it."

Statter
 
Let it Go Dave
 
Dave,
I'm a little late posting on this but no one else has backed you up on the CRT certification. I was the person responsible for maintaining the EMS training records from the start of "EMS" until I retired a couple of years ago. I know you had your certification. Just because some idiot calls MIEMSS and asks questions it doesn't mean they are going to research their old records. Things have changed a lot in EMS over the years, but I'd bet you could still start an IV if needed.
Jim Miller
 
Mr. Statter,
Although, you were ahead of my time, I too, joined the ranks of the volunteer dept. in the late 70's. I recall the " book mobile " as a temporary headquarters. I also knew Mr. Bornman and his daghter " Kellie" as she was also a dispatcher at communications, as it is called today. I also remember the day when the " New" medic units were put into service. I also remember " Lee's Tavern " explosion, I was on the call. Due to staffing, I was forced to ride the front seat of the wagon on many occassions and I recall talking to you to get times, because in those days you all ( dispatchers ) stated your last name. It's very unfortunate that some is willing to exploit your past, but let me say for the record, reguardless of who believes what account anyone has to one's past or present you should probally seek legal advice from an attorney, due to the fact that this individual is opening up a can of worms he can't afford to pay for. I've watched you on TV for many years, so in closing I just want to say from one volunteer to another, THANK YOU, for helping to make the Fire Dept. what it s today.
 
Jim Miller. Now that is a blast from the past. Good to hear from you. Hope all is well. Again, don't let facts get in the way of this guy's good story.

Richard, no matter how minor, I am a public figure. That means people can say a lot more about you and get away with it.

Either way, I really am not one who takes offense at these things. Our standard is not to censor a comment like the one that sparked this. Just thought it was important to try and set the record straight.

The good news is I am hearing from people I haven't heard from in a while and enjoying the memories.

As far as Lee's Tavern is concerned, I believe the audio is on one of my computers. I recently found some film or video that Channel 9 shot the day after it occurred (there is a quick shot of Tex Beardmore in the clip). If I get the time I may just put it all together as one of my "old videos of the day".

I gave the audio to Dave Iannone a while back when they had a get-together with Doc Moltrup, who I believe was the incident commander (not that we used that term then).

Statter
 
I've been away for a while and I am stunned that someone question Dave's history. I was a former volunteer EMT with Co9 from 1972 to 1982 and I can vouch for him as he was in several classes I took during that time as well as the first CRT class held for volunteers at that time. I was also a police dispatcher both PG and Takoma Park when Dave& Pete Piringer were dispatchers for PG Fire as well as Mark Brady who was both a police dispatcher and a fire dispatcher before Mark and Pete became PIO's and Dave went to Chan9.So You accusation is totally wrong as this shows
 
Tom Carter,

You are truly a person who served the citizens and public safety employees of Prince George's County extremely well.

Tom was a frequent visitor to 5012 RI Avenue. Ambulance 99 often stopped by with food. I learned a lot about the county from my talks with Tom.

Tom was among the best police dispatchers I have ever listened to.

Besides being a true gentleman, Tom is a wonderful photographer.

Tom, you really shouldn't damage your own reputation by sticking up for me.

Thanks,

Statter
 
Dave,
As a life member and former Chief of Riverdale I remember the many trips (Service calls) we would make on Truck 7 to 5012 Rhode Island Ave. to raise the stick up to go through the bathroom window to unlock the door that always seemed to get locked by you guys. And then we would stay a while and listen to Jim Atkinson saw firewood from his bed in the back of the consoles.
Don't fret about this guy we probably have more time in second alarm coffee lines than this guy has in the fire service.
 
Jim,

I am shocked and dismayed that you would claim someone of Jim's caliber would be sound asleep on the job. Yeah, right.

Actually shortly after I got there we went to 10 hour days and 14 hour nights (and in 1979, 24 hour shifts at communications!). We had a bunkroom that allowed half the shift to get a few hours sleep as long as things weren't busy. This left 2 or 3 people on the floor. We would ring the bell if things got crazy.

I think the most infamous bathroom incident was the flag that a passing fire investigator spotted flying from the bathroom window (drying underwear) when things got out of control during a very unusual contest that involved a VU meter and men being men. Before my time, but I heard it first hand from the dear departed man who won (or lost) that contest.

Thanks for sharing Jim.

Statter
 
Dave, The West Virginia outpost is called Stoney Ridge, and Marc will be the one sitting in the (white with red stripe) rocking chair on the porch. Let's not forget about his famous remark while dispatching "It will be the white car turning black due to fire"

And as for Jimmy Barnes, guess you have to eat the pink donughts with sprinkles. (acording to him only medics eat sprinkles)
 
Communcations that is bringing back lots of memories. I worked there when it was at 5012 Rhode Island Ave. I remember the cards and the track they ran on from the 911 station. It was everyone up till 7pm than 2 went down to sleep they got up around 11 or 12 and the rest went to bed. 24 on 3 days off. I was there the day Air Fla Flight 90 crashed into the 14th street bride and than with in the hour the train crashed in the subway tunnel. Than we went to the CAD Computers and soon after went to Anchor St. and the shifts changed to 2 12 hour days 2 12 hours nights and than off 4 to be on the same shift as the police dispatchers. OMG remember the gas in the sewer that was blowing up the houses in Mont. Co and in PG. That was a hell of a shift. Maybe we all should get together and tell our communcation stories and put them in a book. Keep smile n Dave
 
I remember working with you and that Piringer guy when I started my paycheck-drawing fire service career up at 5012 back in 1979 before you left for the greener pastures of WXTR, Metro Traffic Control, etc., back in the days when you could have fun at work and nobody sued you because you made a joke about them. I often think what kind of trouble Ronnie Martin and some of the more colorful characters we worked with would be in today with the stuff they used to sling. You honed my talent in the fine art of screwing with people; I recall a Christmas Eve when some fine fellow from Greenbelt called us on their direct line to say "Merry Christmas Communications, even if you all are a bunch of assholes" and then their siren and house bells mysteriously going off every 10 minutes from 0100 to 0600 - that manual siren/pager encoder that left no record was a blessing. I still talk to Irby and Chip, and Ripp every once in a while from my suite up here at St. Elizabeth's South, aka the OUC. Definitely a different Fire Service than it was back then.

Capt. Jeff (Yes, I was always smarter than my big brother)Peck PGFD (Ret.)

PS - I will usually defer to Capt. Bert's knowledge of the old PGFD, but I think in that Bowie video from Rt. 50 you posted a long time ago, the driver was Tucker (Wildman)Clark. Having taken a few rides with him back in the day, that driving style looked quite familiar
 
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